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Best taillight ever?

What are your favorite taillights? I just broke ANOTHER one and am really sick of buying new ones... just want a flashing red light that is durable and relatively waterproof. Seriously, I am cursed when it comes to this.


I've tried planet bike lights (either the mounting hardware broke or the electronics quit), those Knog lights (very cool and easy to mount, but those little coin batteries are murderously expensive), and most recently, one of those Blackburn lights that recharges via USB port on your computer. I really, really liked the concept of that one... I carried the charger around on my keychain, and could just take the taillight into my office with me and plug it into my desktop. Unfortunately, it seems to have just completely burned out, looks like it's got some moisture inside and they make the things so you can't take them apart.


Do I just need to abide by the old "buy it nice or buy it twice" adage and buy a really nice Cateye light that's upwards of 50 bucks?


superletour
2010-10-27 20:30:41

I second that. First time I saw someone with the superflash I asked what it was and immediately bought one. I have it on my helmet and I haven't had a problem all summer, even riding in the rain.


dwillen
2010-10-27 20:45:21

Get the Viewpoint Flashpoint, Performance Bike's knockoff of the Superflash. It's about $5 cheaper, slightly brighter, and has a better clip for belt mounting. It doesn't have as unique flash pattern as the SF though. But honestly either one of those are the "best taillight ever" and I use both regularly


noah-mustion
2010-10-27 21:22:51

I have one of the PlanetBike ones that rsprake mentioned. I clip it to the collar of my shirt. Stays there pretty well. Haven't tried hooking it to anything else, though intend to try a zip-tie to the back of my helmet somehow.


stuinmccandless
2010-10-27 21:47:19

One thing about the planet bike-type lights: their effectiveness is greatly diminished if attached to clothing, bag, etc. because the strobe LED is so directional. For best results attach to seatpost, stay, etc. and adjust so that it'll be directed to the eyes of motorists coming up behind you...


noah-mustion
2010-10-27 21:57:07

I like the Cateye LD1100. Takes two AA batteries and has several different flash modes.


I also like the Princeton Tec Swerve. The switch can be bumped (off the bike) fairly easily so you may find that the batteries (2 AAA) don't last quite as long as they would otherwise.


icemanbb
2010-10-27 22:13:09

whatever kayla has.. i forget what she said.. i need to get one. i was behind her on the last flock ride and it was super bright.


stefb
2010-10-27 22:21:02

I currently run 3 different lights. I have chinese knog ripoffs on my helmet, I have a niterider tl5 on my pannier, a lot for the reason Noah mentioned, it isnt as directional. and I have a niterider cherrybomb as my "main" rear light.


I use to have a super flash until it popped off on a ride one day and I never saw it again. The cherrybomb has a similar strobe pattern to the superflash.


http://www.niterider.com/prod_cherrybomb.shtml

http://www.niterider.com/prod_TL5.shtml


The knog ripoffs I got from http://www.meritline.com Just search for led silicone


netviln
2010-10-27 22:21:19

Make sure you have batteries with a strong charge. It doesn't matter how powerful your light is if the batteries are almost dead.


I have been using rechargeable batteries and make it a point to keep them charged. I find it hard to just look at the light and guess how good the battery power is, so I just charge every few weeks (when I remember).


zflat
2010-10-27 22:51:48

i have an el-cheapo one from kraynick's that is super super bright. the only problem was the button fell off and i had to jam a key where it used to be to turn it on. for $5 you cant beat it.


rick
2010-10-27 23:00:33

Stef- I also have the Viewpoint Flashpoint that Noah brought up. $14.99 at Performance!


kgavala
2010-10-28 00:35:16

I've gone through probably six or seven tl5's in about three or four years. Also lost a few rechargeable batteries because the cover would pop off and batteries would go flying and couldn't find them after that. I've got two remaining, and I think one lenses is super gluded


sgtjonson
2010-10-28 00:42:37

the clip broke off my light (some ravx thing i think) so i disassembled it and drilled some holes so i could bolt it directly to my rack. best idea i've had in a while :) if you have broken ones you may want to try something like that.


salty
2010-10-28 02:45:12

+1 on the Planet Bike Superflash.


Wouldn't buy a Blackburn Mars 3.0. Whenever I see lights lying in the street, it's one of those.


ka_jun
2010-10-28 03:02:55

Get a bunch of rechargeables and two chargers: one for home, one for work.


stuinmccandless
2010-10-28 11:10:20

_Not_ cheap, but dynamo-driven fender-mounted tail lights are my favorite. Nice and bright, hard/pointless to steal, and no batteries with which to screw around.


reddan
2010-10-28 11:45:46

what about modified... I don't know what they're called, but my paramedic friend calls them "whacker" bars/lights. They're what EMTs, medics, fire fighters (especially volunteer) mount to their dash/hood when they are in their personal vehicles and answering a call. I'm sure they run off cigaret lighters and would need some kind of modification to be bike friendly, but if you attach a light that looks like a flashing emergency light, people pay attention to that. If it were blue, I gar-un-tee cars will quickly approach the speed limit the second they see it. But blue might not be legal for non-cops.


ejwme
2010-10-28 14:13:59

my gf as well as several other people had their lights stolen from their bikes parked near penn & negley the other night, so you could buy one of those when they reappear on the market (or get chucked in the sewer by the more-likely vandals, not thieves)


noah-mustion
2010-10-28 14:24:40

Nope, blue is not legal.


+1 reddan on permanently mounted dynamo lights.


lyle
2010-10-28 15:44:24

noah, you cannot leave lights on your bike anywhere near Penn.


The good news? When the kids got mine, they put them on their bikes and used them. Besides some major hassle by me about stealing them I was secretly happy. I really think they just don't have any idea how to get lights or anything like that despite having Jerry right down the street


spakbros
2010-10-28 16:43:02

"Hey kids, this is how it works. There's this thing called money. You earn it. Do that by raking leaves in someone's yard, babysitting, walking dogs, whatever. You take that money and go to a bike shop. Kraynik's, Performance, or any of several others not that far from here. You give them money. They give you a headlight. You hook it to your bike. Then you can ride at night safely and legally. Let me know if there's anything I can help you with. But taking my light, or my money, without asking me nicely, is not OK."


stuinmccandless
2010-10-28 17:00:01

+5 Noah


Had lights stolen in front of the TMC (right by Spaks) and at the EEFC (East End Food Coop) Now I take them off when I leave the bike


sgtjonson
2010-10-28 17:03:27

linky to a dynamo-driven, fender mounted permanent tail light? reddan, Lyle, any favorites? Or did you both build your own?


ejwme
2010-10-28 17:41:39

Peter White's tailight page


I've got the B&M Seculite...works great. Also, I've got the Spanninga XPSb battery-powered light on a different bike; because it's bolted to the fender, it's not easy or desirable to steal. Changing batteries requires a philips-head, though, which kinda sucks.


Note also that Peter's site has pretty much everything you'll ever want to know about dynamos and dynamo lighting systems...if you can find the topic in question in the labyrinth of pages.


reddan
2010-10-28 17:52:15

FWIW, bottle dynamos don't suck too much. I ran one for about a year ('til I got a bike with a hub dynamo). With a wire roller, it worked well enough in the rain. Didn't work at all in the snow, though.


bjanaszek
2010-10-28 18:20:12

I had Peter build me a front wheel around the Schmidt Dynohub, and I bought the Lumotec headlamp from him, but I used taillights from another source that clamped to the seatstay (and didn't actually fit my tubing very well, as they apparently were designed for gaspipe three-speeds). I am currently contemplating switching everything to LEDs but I haven't pulled the trigger on that yet, and I haven't found a dynamo-powered LED taillight.


For references, I would look at Peter's site, Sheldon's, and the bike-current mailing list.


Bottle dynamos have price in their favor, but as a general rule, generator-powered lighting systems are pricier than battery-operated ones.


lyle
2010-10-28 18:37:43

ejwme: I have little round clip-on blinkies in several colors designed for runners. I sometimes put them on my panniers in addition to my red rear blinky. One day I randomly ended up with blue and red ones on there, and immediately figured people are somewhat less likely to hit a red and blue blinky thing.


Lyle: So is a little blue blinky illegal? On a bike? On a pedestrian? What's the penalty? Can you quote the relevant code? I know you're good at that.


jeg
2010-10-28 18:55:51

I just saw a woman with a dynamo LED taillight branded "TopLite". No idea of its quality.


Jeg, I don't think there are any laws about pedestrian equipment. I'll look up the vehicle code later.


lyle
2010-10-28 19:58:13

Actually, given the newer generation of less expensive, relatively durable dynamo hubs, the bottle dynamo is a less attractive option. Yeah, you still need to get a new wheel (or rebuild a current wheel), but overall, I'd rather drop an extra $50.


I had a lower end Shimano hub on my previous bike, and I never had issues with the hub, and that was ridden year 'round, and sometimes left out of doors.


bjanaszek
2010-10-28 19:59:36

you could get red and green ones on your port and starboard sides and the boaty people would be amused.


edmonds59
2010-10-28 20:28:53

i want to do red & green handlebar tape on the appropriate sides (as more of an aviation reference)


noah-mustion
2010-10-28 22:12:19

Stu, I hear what you are saying but it's really not that simple. It's not ok to steal clearly but the kids that are stealing lights don't have remotely the same worldview as you do and I'm pretty sure they:

>know they are going to be made fun of by their peers

>never been inside a bike shop before

>don't really give a shit

>are obnoxious teenagers that get really excited about stealing things for no reason


At least that's what I've seen with my own eyes. The only reasonable approach is to take your lights off every time you park. Or fenders, or anything else that is easily removed.


Sad but true.


spakbros
2010-10-28 23:52:04

I also have the Viewpoint Flashpoint, and I love it. I think I paid $14.99 (less $6 in "recycle-a-tube" coupons).


I have literally had over $400 in <$20 lights in the past few years (I try to keep spares on me, and I used to give them to light-less people). There are some good lights out there, but there is also a lot of garbage (in that price range).


ndromb
2010-10-29 00:09:14

I can say for sure not to buy XLC lights. I came to a smooth, complete stop once, and the headlight fell off, hit the ground, and fell apart, and didn't work after that.


Tail light clip snapped and fell of in the middle of an intersection, did not survive getting run over several times (Not that I expected it to, but I expected the clip to not break).


rubberfactory
2010-10-29 00:16:05

I just went last night and picked up the one Noah mentioned from Performance Bike...super super bright. On sale right now for 14.99 (originally $24.99) Thanks for the suggestion!


lou-m
2010-10-29 12:16:18

Thanks for the advice guys. I went with the Performance light and ended up with a red spot in my eyes from looking directly at it... very effective, good price.


superletour
2010-10-29 14:18:53

If you write PlanetBike about your light breaking they'll ship you out a new one free. They've done it twice for my Superflash (first one got sad because of water, second one the back light part fell off of the back part with the mount)


alankhg
2010-10-31 04:40:35

Thanks for the info on Planet Bike. I was ready to scrap the idea after two P.B. lights bit the dust (one to snapping off, one to losing the red lens), but this gives me hope that I'm not guaranteed being out another $30.


stuinmccandless
2010-10-31 16:59:54

Another thing:


The Radbot 1000 is real bright, $20 now online, and fits in the same mount as a Superflash. The two halves are screwed together, too.


alankhg
2010-11-01 05:20:12

I like the built-in reflector on the radbots.


lyle
2010-11-01 12:34:12

Any LBS carry Portland Design Works products? Someone stole my Princeton Tec Swerve light off my bike a couple of weeks ago and I'm not that into the one I'm borrowing from my girlfriend.


scott
2010-11-21 17:28:38

thanks for googling that for me ;)


scott
2010-11-21 20:48:54

Bah, just called them, they don't actually have it


sgtjonson
2010-11-21 21:36:14

I just got a Radbot 1000 a few days ago, ordered it from PDW on their website, had it 5 days later. Very bright. On the third setting (freaky flashy mode) it's remarkable.


If you hold it in front of you and look at it for more than a few seconds, I have trouble looking at anything else.


They're currently shipped version 2.0 of the Radbot 1000. I've read that the switch is now less susceptible to bumping on/off, but some owners of the 1.0 say that their flash pattern is more obnoxious (in an attention-getting way).


I'm real happy with the Radbot 1000, it's way better than my Cateye 1100LD.


vannever
2010-11-22 00:37:16

I have a Radbot 1000. Very good. Screwed together, so you can't lose half of it like you can with a Superflash. And significantly brighter than the Superflash, too.


Less than a Superflash (or a Radbot 500, for that matter) on Amazon, too:

http://www.amazon.com/Portland-Design-Works-Radbot-Light/dp/B0030BS30K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1290392668&sr=8-1


PDW also recently came out with the Danger Zone, which I tried in a store. It has 2 .5W LEDs of >= brightness than those in the Superflash with an obnoxiously discordant flash pattern.


alankhg
2010-11-22 02:23:58

holy freaking crap. i already have a superflash, and flashpoint. now i need to get this thing to complete the trifecta.


noah-mustion
2010-11-22 03:49:02

i already have a superflash, and flashpoint. now i need to get this thing to complete the trifecta.


Then you'll have to change your handle to

The Flash!


jeffinpgh
2010-11-22 14:21:40

Which makes sense because isn't Noah the person always asking people to flash him? ;)


sgtjonson
2010-11-22 18:00:50

I'm back again - the thread hijacker!!! Mwahahahaha!!


...


I am buying a new citi helmet and I was looking at bike lights for commutes to work in dark mornings and evenings.


Any clue as to why this is so cheap?


Amazon is "suggesting" these:


light


blinky


italianblend
2011-08-09 22:19:10

Those are decent lights at a good price. They're a little lower than what you'd pay in a LBS. I'd pay the extra few bux to keep the LBS in business.


stuinmccandless
2011-08-09 23:21:28

I used to have the planet bike headlight shown in your link. It was a good light except that I dropped it a few times and the impact broke off the tiny tabs that held it closed. Now I have the Cateye opticube. Both are good, inexpensive blinking front lights: mainly meant for cars to see you.


There are a few other threads here RE front and rear lights. I wear a bright orange safety vest with reflective stripes, too!


pseudacris
2011-08-09 23:24:04

"Any clue as to why this is so cheap?"


You get what you pay for most likely. I religiously narrow down my amazon research by the number and quality of user reviews... zero reviews on a light that I can't see in person is a non-starter.

I like to use amazon to decide what product to purchase and then throw my money at a local bike shop (assuming they have what I want). Of course, the support the LBS mentality hurts a bit more when you are paying $195 for a touring wheel that you can buy for $25 less online (but there are other advantages to buying local, especially if you end up with a defective product).


Go check out a few bike shops, most of have a display where you can actually compare the lights and get a better idea what you want and what you are willing to pay.


headloss
2011-08-10 00:09:59

I have both of those lights, and they function mainly as my backups. The quality of both is rather low, but they do a decent job of making you visible front and back after dark. The headlight beam doesn’t project very far, but I have other lights for that, so this one mainly just stays in blinking mode –belts and suspenders.


marko82
2011-08-10 00:31:57

TRILED for front

Planetbike Superflash for back


You're good to go for like $40. boom


noah-mustion
2011-08-10 01:42:34

Hi Guys, I got my lights and I'm happy with them. I just took an early morning ride to test them out.


When you lock your bike somewhere, do you bother to take off your lights, or do you just leave them on? Is "light theft" a problem? Noob question, but I was curious. Thanks.


italianblend
2011-08-13 11:00:55

I just leave mine. This is the other side of cost. The more pricey the light (IMHO), the more likely it is to be swiped. If everyone had a simple $25 light, there'd be little market for swiping someone else's. But there will always be an aftermarket for $200+ lights.


I suppose you could strap a piece of electrical tape around it, to make it a little more difficult to swipe it in a hurry, but the downside of this is that that then makes it harder to replace batteries.


stuinmccandless
2011-08-13 11:44:41

I leave my $25 taillight, my backup $1 taillight, and my two $20-30 "being seen" headlights, and take my $90 "seeing" headlight (MiNewt Mini-USB) if I'm using it. Likewise for when I load my bike on a bus rack.


Partly because my $90 headlight is much easier to detach than the cheaper ones.


steven
2011-08-13 15:43:02

i take 'em. people will have their $25 lights swiped, and have to go pay $25 again or ride in the dark. i would rather spend that $25 on food and beer, thanks.


noah-mustion
2011-08-13 16:16:03

i always take my lights, and computer. but paradoxically i usually leave my saddle bag which probably has $50 worth of stuff in it (tools, tube, batteries, bus tickets, etc).


salty
2011-08-13 17:07:49

makes sense. it's much easier and faster to swipe a quick release taillight or computer (and those are electronic i.e. more attractive) than to rifle thru a saddle bag or unstrap it.


noah-mustion
2011-08-13 17:11:38

I take my $10 headlight, leave my saddle bag with fancy tire levers, spare tube, quickshot and co2. Usually leave my pump too. The stuff I carry has very little re-sale value to the average thief, is my wager.


Noah, I still have two chunks of magnesium alloy in my seatbag with your name on them.


robjdlc
2011-08-13 18:17:52

ehhh? no clue what you're talking about... i've been out of the mix for too long i guess.


noah-mustion
2011-08-13 18:21:32

You asked for them ages ago on a ride (may have been the ride to light up night, if you were on that), I cut them a week later and haven't seen you since, haha. You wanted to use them for making sparks, or some such.


robjdlc
2011-08-13 18:33:28

hmm... i don't think that was me...


noah-mustion
2011-08-13 19:50:28

OH, I think that was me! Forgot about that. Flock ride this Friday?


edmonds59
2011-08-13 21:16:39

I know it was you, but alwell.


Anyone want some quarter inch thick, one inch diameter chunks of magnesium alloy?


Good for making sparks. Not too great as a tail light, but great for visibility.


robjdlc
2011-08-13 21:17:20

I saw the Planet Bike Superflash Turbo the other day. They doubled the power of the LED to one watt from a half watt. I'm guessing it's pretty bright since the old Superflash was good already.


jkoutrouba
2011-08-13 22:39:30

I take my lights cause people like to play with them and drain my batteries. :(


But the Superflash line rocks! I have the headlight, but will buy the taillight as soon as the cash frees up. :)


humblesage
2011-08-14 01:53:16

I have the super flash turbo and it is ridiculously bright. I mount it lower on my bike so not to blind anyone on group rides, (even though I'm usually last in the group)


marvelousm3
2011-08-14 02:24:40