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They own Trader Joes right? (which had racks installed) I'm sure they'd appreciate crossover customers, maybe we can bring it up to somebody?

They own Trader Joes right?

Yes they do.

from what i understand, yes the bike parking ordinance will kick in because it is a change in use.

since the ordinance is so (relatively) new, any buildings that were approved before the ordinance kicked in don't have to comply. but any that were submitted after do, but most of those haven't been built yet.

from what i understand, the new target is under the ordinance, there is a development in the strip, and the potential development of the restaurant in schenley plaza as well.

woot, good news erok. I'm excited to see all these new projects start out with bike accomodation.

don't know when the building for ALDI was approved, but likely after the ordinance. Construction to start in spring and be done by the end of the year.

OT, but I am so excited for the new target! I don't shop there often, but I'm really excited to see a box store that is built in an urban, non-sprawl style. I've never seen that before actually ever.

if anyone is nerdy enough to want to read the ordinance it is here: http://bike-pgh.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/Bicycle_Parking_Ordinance.pdf

it hasn't made it to the municode page yet

Tabby - I hear you about a non-sprawly box store. But I'm conflicted. Relatively none of the money spent at Target will be staying in the neighborhood, city, county, or even state. Most of it will be going to far away lands and far away pockets.

I'd love it if instead of one giant mega box store we had 10 little ma/pa local places. Probably never would have happened, given the history of the place. BUT I'm also hoping that the Target brings in business to boost the areas economic viability so that a bunch of ma/pa people look around and say to themselves "hey, we can make a go of it here" and then start up those local businesses to keep money here.

If it takes a big box with big box insurance, capital, and infrastructure building capabilities to rejuvinate an area, then hopefully it'll work out ok. But that big box better not be another drain - that area has enough drains already.

I'm still reeling from the shock that TJ & Aldi are related. Talk about the odd couple.

@tabby - I think the old east liberty sears basically met that description.

@tabby - I think the old east liberty sears basically met that description.

Now, if target could adopt that particular shade of blue for their exterior, it would be like old times.

The only different between Trader Joes and ALDIs is that at Trader Joes they tack on the word "natural" and jack up the price

ejwme- I hear ya about supporting the big box store, but I do think all the development in that area is helping the other businesses as well. I can imagine myself shopping there instead of going to the Waterfront, not instead of going to a small business. Then after I shop I'll go eat Ethiopian food so it's all good!

Also, the Target is replacing a low-slung, non-dense development so there's no love lost there. At the moment all that I'm recalling there was an H&R Block.

The ALDI TJ connection actually isn't that surprising when you think about some of their similarities. They both are smaller stores with a high product density. They both carry their own products and stock their stores from their own warehouses.

where was the East Liberty Sears?

Where Home Depot is now.

oh, it's always been HD since I've been here. good to know, helps me blend in as a native pittsburgher to know current as well as previous landmarks.

knowing no-longer-there landmarks will also help you give and receive directions.

Indeed, nothing shows you have been fully Pittsburghized as when you are asked directions and without a moments thought or hesitation you say

"Well, you know where XX used to be?"

or the ever-popular "you can't get there from here."

I like how little you use terms like "head north on..." instead, it's "go down the hill, then at the bottom..."

Don't forget that although a lot of money from Target goes "elsewhere" there are a lot of jobs that have been created/will be created because of it, and in these times that's a good thing.

I can't find it quickly, but there was recently a nice profile of Trader Joe's on the web. Basically, the German owners (I think) are very tight-lipped, and while the chain styles itself as a "corner store," in reality they are as "big box" as the biggest box stores. Additionally, they are extremely secretive about the suppliers for their in-house products. Interesting stuff.

I like how little you use terms like "head north on..." instead, it's "go down the hill, then at the bottom..."

it's difficult to give compass directions around here because at any moment your northbound road can be heading due south. intersections without landmarks can be similarly tricky because many pairs of roads intersect more than once. some roads even intersect themselves.

I like how 5th Ave and Penn Ave intersect twice.

For the longest time i always thought of "5th and Penn" as the one in the East End. Then i gave directions once for someone to meet me downtown, and was like, meet me at "5th and..uh..Penn." Mind blown.

I like how 5th Ave and Penn Ave intersect twice.

How about how you can be at the corner of 5th avenue and 6th avenue?

There's a Seinfeld episode about this. Kramer calls Jerry confused from the corner of fifth and fifth or something like that.

bjanaszek, I read the same article. They seem like a good employer.

They seem like a good employer.

Yeah, agreed. I didn't mean my post to come off as criticism (I've been seen shopping there)--I just find it interesting how well they've marketed themselves as a "little" store, when in reality the operation is fairly huge.

Corner of Beechwood Blvd and Monitor Street? Pittsburgh has three of them.

But I think technically Fifth Avenue doesn't reach to Penn downtown. Fifth Avenue turns into Fifth Avenue Extension for the block between Liberty and Penn.

When you type 5th and penn into google maps, it provides an intersection downtown. I was trying to give someone directions to Bakery Square and told them to go to 5th and Penn, which is what they typed into the map...

Waitasec. If they had google maps, why were they asking you for directions?

Because when you typed the name of this particular business into google, it gave you the old location. I said, "no, they moved near 5th and Penn".

Because when you typed the name of this particular business into google, it gave you the old location. I said, "no, they moved near 5th and Penn".

...where Nabisco used to be...

You'd really sort out the natives if you started giving directions to the 40th st bridge as "you know, where Shannopin town used to be".

Beechwood crosses everything like 50 times. The first time I saw it on a map, I went from "wtf is that" to "well no wonder I got so lost on it."

rsprake: I believe it was "first and first...I must be at the nexus of the universe."

Get a real Pgh old-timer talking: What is now Fifth Avenue Extension was actually Fifth Street. Landmark: Jenkins Arcade, torn down 1983ish to build Fifth Avenue Place. Federal Street used to come all the way across the Sixth Street Bridge to intersect Liberty Avenue.