BIKEPGH MESSAGE BOARD ARCHIVE

Dig the blue sky and the blue water and all the pretty white people. I bet if their presentation had smells, there would be fresh baked goods, cinnamon and roses.

I hate to be a wet blanket, but really, this is porn. Futurists have been cranking out stuff like this for a hundred years, and the future never turns out like the fantasy.

I bet if their presentation had smells, there would be fresh baked goods, cinnamon and roses.

cupcakes.

@lyle - you mean that you don't think the rivers will end up being slightly cleaner than the cleanest spring-fed lake I've ever seen?

Cynic.

I'm a cynic for sure, BUT, I thought it was interesting that Schenley Plaza was from a student concept, according to the article. I do think different ideas would come from students since they're more likely to walk, bus, and bike around the city. And, I have to tip my helmet to Eve Picker, a developer & cyclist & one of the professors of the class that made this report. She's been WAY ahead of the downtown development pack in terms of imagining downtown as a place where people might actually want to live.

oh pooh.

I like river busses (ferries!).

And if students can eliminate parking in Oakland and put in green spaces and get one way streets remarked, they can get me ferries. I believe in them. Besides, every year, there are more of them, so if this batch doesn't make good, the next might

"The Mon-Fayette Expressway is $4 billion to drive from Braddock to Oakland," he [Peduto] said. "Imagine if $4 billion were put toward this."

Not a bad tagline

I like ferries, but powerboats pollute too. Quite a bit, in fact.

Bike commuters coming off the ferry in Seattle.

Aboard one of the abras (water taxies) in Dubai. In a city where you could spend $28,000 for one night in a hotel, I am still amazed it was only 1 dirham ($0.27 US) to cross the river in one of these. If I lived there, I'd take it everyday. Unfortunately, during my entire trip, I could count the number of bicycles I saw on one hand.

power boats don't pollute when they run off hopes and dreams

nice photo, dwillen

@ejwme power boats don't pollute when they run off hopes and dreams

Sail boats run on hope and dreams. Power boats use fossil fuels.

water transport is probably the most fuel efficient mode of motorized transit (not counting speed boats which are stupid). i'd suppose the particulate emissions are similar to a pat bus, both being run on diesel.

what were the proposed waterbus routes?

nick - up and down the rivers, of course

Sail boats run on hope and dreams. Power boats use fossil fuels.

now i miss my (sail) boat. thanks.

Really cool boats don't always need fossil fuels. (Admittedly, sail is still intended to be the primary power source...)

I'd thought of a mass-pedal boat, like a 30 person version of those little two person things on ponds. That would be cool. But the off hour people would have their work cut out for them.

Wheels are far more efficient than propellers. Also, aerodynamic resistance saps a whole lot less energy than hull drag does. You don't get fuel-efficient ferries without hydroplanes. I don't know of any boats that use catalytic converters, and until you get into the really big boats, they exhaust underwater. Yeah, diesel bong water for the fishies.

i can move a 100 ton barge with my bare hands.

Nick's right (maybe). Ton by ton, water travel is cheaper than the most efficient wheels. That tends to be at speeds slower than your typical randoneur, though.

water travel also has the bonus of being on water, rather than pavement. On a scale of awesomeness, water in most forms wins over pavement in most forms.

All this talk of sailing and ice and lakes in the other thread makes me wish I could try ice boat racing. That sht looks ridiculous.

wouldn't the boat melt?

Ha! I guess that's why you have to go fast!

heh, I guess the loser ends up in the drink, and the drinks end up in the winner.

This I need to try:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC0I5PEhkJo

i have always wanted to ice boat. it looks like so much fun.