Bike lane to replace several blocks of free parking in the South Side

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erok
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http://triblive.com/news/2197652-74/bike-lane-parking-carson-east-street-traffic-economic-patchan-pittsburgh

This is pretty huge, and probably the first time in the city where several blocks of parking were removed. when this goes in, please send some thanks as this might be a bit of an internet flame war.

My favorite line in the article:

Kayla Meixner of Mt. Washington parks along the East Carson Street wall almost every day and walks to her job at Station Square.

“I have no idea what I’m going to do,” she said. “I guess I’m going to have to start walking.”


rsprake
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Classic. Wish I had that option.

Will this be a single lane in one direction or something bigger than that? Will the parking be removed in both directions?


Erica
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Or she could, you know, start biking.


erok
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sprake, it’s going to be a single lane outbound (against the wall) with, supposedly, a wider sharrow lane inbound


boostuv
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This is fantastic. I absolutely dread riding that stretch of Carson St. with cars parked there.


rsprake
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Are there plans to keep drivers from parking there?


boostuv
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@rsprakeI guess that is the ultimate deciding factor in just how awesome this new bike lane will be.


chefjohn
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i’m still just going to ride bingham street. you guys can have that carson street bike lane with it’s red lights and incessant traffic. if it get’s more people on their bikes for their excursions through the s’side great, it’s just not going to change a thing for me.

love,

the curmudgeon


Jacob McCrea
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This is pretty amazing and speaks volumes about the strength of BikePGH’s advocacy, well as the city’s receptiveness to such improvements.

As for keeping it clear, the city just needs to let the private tow truck companies address the issue.


erok
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Are there plans to keep drivers from parking there?

from what i know, parking enforcement and the police are aware. i imagine that they will pay close attention at first.

the hope is that it get’s clearly marked no parking and it will be obvious and unappealing to park against the wall


Marko82
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So how does this “connect” to the Smithfield St bridge? And what happens on the other end when the roadway narrows down by St. Johns church?

I like having more bike infrastructure for sure, but I see some issues here that will be difficult to address.


ejwme
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Marko – eventually, Complete Blocks will all link up to form Complete Streets. In the mean time…

Pretty darn awesome that the city is even considering it. I’m honestly very pleasantly surprised – given how hard paint is to put down, I’m amazed they’re making a change like this.

Go BPGH, GO!


erok
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marko – it is not going to be a great connection to the smithfield st bridge. i believe the city is just putting in sharrows.


erok
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what this article failed to mention, tho is that this project will span the smithfield st bridge to hot metal bridge.

it’s going to be a combination of bike lanes and sharrows along the stretch, depending on the space available. this is the only parking that’s going away.


rsprake
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I’ve never measured Carson St but it seems wide enough in most spots for a door zone bike lane.


erok
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i believe the other bike lane sections are going to be east of the birmingham bridge, which is wide enough for a non-door zone bike lane


rsprake
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Cool. I hate how they redesigned East Carson but that would help me hate it less. Remember that nice wide grassy knoll on the Southside Works side?


Marko82
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Thanks for the info erok. I don’t mean to sound negative, I just see some issues.

FWIW, I very much prefer sharrows to door-zone bike lanes.


Pierce
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Where in Mt Washington does this lady live? Take the incline down to St Sq. Why should she get free parking and everybody else has to pay?


ejwme
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waiiiiiit a minute…

“In addition, he said, the city does not maintain the riverfront trails during the winter, nor are they open at night.”

So the Jail trail and the Millvale – Northside trail are closed at night? Why? How? And how is this supposed to be enforced? What are the penalties for using them? I’ve been there at night plenty of times, and we talk about it on the board all the time, so what’s the deal?


Stephen
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The City is really excited about this project. Thanks to the BikePGH staff in all of the help and support. I just wanted to address a few questions and comments.

The facility will eventually connect to the Smithfield Street and Hot Metal Street Bridges. We’re working on the route and design. No date for installation, but know that we’re addressing the issue.

The 7th st transition from bike lane to sharrow isn’t ideal, but there is no way around the design due to the width of the street.

The trail quote is a bit inaccurate. I meant to say that the southside trail closes. With that said, the closure is a passive closure and there is no enforcement that I know of. It’s more of a recommendation of “don’t use the trail at night because it’s dark and isolated” closure, so don’t worry about getting beef for riding on it at night.

Erok- thanks for relaying a lot of vital info!


Mick
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@ejwme ” the city does not maintain the riverfront trails during the winter, nor are they open at night.”

I’ve ridden the soutside trail plenty of times at night, in the the winter and occasionally both. I live a life of crime.

Only problem is occasional snow. (which we in the U.S. are tryintg to overcome by not ratifying the the Kyoto accord. Seems to be working pretty well. U! S! A!)

After Snowmageddon, a bunch of us shoveled the Hot Metal Bridge and Junction Hollow trails.

Seems to me the city city plow some, regardless of the article’s disclaimer. IIRC soem people here did a concerted 3-1-1 blitz about that.


erok
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mick, the jail trail is on the city’s list for plowing. it’s pretty low on the list, but on there


rsprake
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Mick
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Trading car parking for a bike lane? AWESOME.

This is a huge step in how the city deals with bikes.

I expect great wailing and gnashing of teeth.


rsprake
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Can we get the Millvale lane finished before they start this one?


edmonds59
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+1 Pierce. If Ms. Kayla Meixner of Mt. Washington is not bright enough to just take the incline, there is probably very little we can do for her.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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But it’s FREE PARKING!!!

What will YOU PEOPLE want next, first born sons?!?

AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

(Insert standard sarcasm disclaimer here).


ejwme
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edmonds, everybody knows the incline is for tourists and hot ballet dancing welders.

Stephen – YOU ROCK. That is a solid fact. Please continue being awesome.

(And thank you for the clarification… I was concerned that I was an unintentional scofflaw by just trying to avoid the heat of day! If I’m going to break the law I prefer to at least be aware of it)


quizbot
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Carolyn Jones is one of the many people Channel 11’s Dave Bondy talked to who is upset with the decision.

“I was like, ‘What am I going to do?’” Jones said. “Where are these people going to park? It’s going to be a mass riot because there is no place for them to park.”


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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EDIT: ” “I was like, ‘What am I going to do?’” Jones said. “Where are these people going to park? It’s going to be a mass riot because there is no place for them to park” (…for free).”


Mick
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I expect to see massive communication to the media and to our elected officials to the effect that “If we give bicyclist things like this, then we have to crack down seriously on bike scoufflaws going through red lights, etc”

Kinda like in MYC there are more bicyclists cited for traffic violations than there are truck drivers cited.


orionz06
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How much is parking in Station Square?


rsprake
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$105 monthly.


Marko82
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In PGH it’s not about the price but the principle – “not only should it be free, I should be able to reserve it with a chair!”


ejwme
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the answer to your question orionz is “too much” or “I remember when it was only (fill in amount that it was in 1960, if not free)”

In 50 years, we’ll be the curmudgeons ranting about how the first bike corrals were FREE, so why should we pay for parking?! At least I hope that infrastructure for us progresses over the next 50 years at least at the rate it has for motorists over the past 50 years.


orionz06
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Wasn’t exactly my point but I am sure some of us can at least understand that the $105 might not be in the budget for her. What and how that should change is not really a topic here for debate, just that part of her objection should be understood.

It should also be explained to her how much safer the street is for everyone else. More taxpayers benefit from the bike lanes than those that park there.


ejwme
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orionz – I’ve never met a monthly parking fee that I considered affordable, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Station Square was on the order of 300-500 a month to park there or more. I keep trying to get my mom to rent out her driveway (Oakland) but she refuses (she could get $300/month easy for it, and that’s at a discount price for the neighborhood).

I’m not saying the loss of free parking isn’t an extreme hardship to those who rely on it. One place I excitedly found out when I became “eligible” for a paid parking spot only to find out it was half my wages for the month (ironically, same day I became “eligible” for health care, which would have been the other half of my wages – yay “benefits”!). For someone on the edge, this represents a serious problem they’re going to have to solve.

But it looks like it was never sanctioned as free parking by the city – instead it was co-opted by drivers and never marked otherwise by the city.

Besides, I’m guessing the reporters put the best sound bites in the paper, rather than the average opinion. Remember when they got rid of that big parking lot between the museum and Hillman in Oakland? Remember all the screams and hollering of “oh my god where will all those people park it was bad enough as it was” (I might have even been one of those in a tizzy)? The world ended the day they turned on that carousel, we’ve been in hell ever since. Hell filled with children’s laughter and lounging sunbathers.


Marko82
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^ I’m not so sure that Carson will automatically become safer. Without the parked cars there – some drivers will feel more comfortable speeding through there and unfortunately, I don’t see some paint on the road changing that. I can also see the bike lane becoming an ‘I can go around that stopped car’ lane like happens near the Bloomfield Bridge. I hope I’m wrong on both accounts, but police enforcement of speed limits n’such is not something to be optimistic about.

I do think that this can be a wonderful opportunity to have some positive PSA type stories on the news though, rather than listening to some broad from Mt. Washington complain about losing her free parking. How about a story on what a sharrow is?

@EJ, I think they all park in Shendly Park now. Which causes its own problems.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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People in Pittsburgh expect to be able to park directly in front of wherever they are. For free.

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