Bike Lanes on Negley Run!

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ericf
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Just this morning:


rgrasmus
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Why does clicking it make it turn upside-down?


jonawebb
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Twitter is afire on this. Here’s a photo from there:


byogman
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That’s just beautiful. I can’t wait to ride it.

Want to congratulate those involved and see if there’s something that can be learned here to help us get more of this done in the future.

We have a lot of crumbling roads…


Benzo
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I’m curious as to why, if there is no parking, that the bike lanes are not buffered at least slightly…


Benzo
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I think the solution is just to paint some more diagonal lines across the ‘bike lane’ and make the larger area to the right of it the bike lane :)

Oh, and by the way, this is awesome.


WillB
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Benzo wrote:I think the solution is just to paint some more diagonal lines across the ‘bike lane’ and make the larger area to the right of it the bike lane :)

Oh, and by the way, this is awesome.

My interpretation of the picture was that the bike lane is the furthest to the right, and that what you’re calling the bike lane actually is the buffer. But some diagonal lines would certainly help clarify what the intention is.


scott
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This was an 11th hour save on our part. We found out that Negley was being repaved this week and asked to meet with the traffic engineer out in the field last Friday to try to figure out what could be done knowing that we had nearly no time. She was incredibly amenable but had to run it by her boss. So glad he was on board!

I agree that some cross hatching would make a difference, but the trick is finding the person-power to do it. Lines can be done quickly by a truck. Symbols and cross hatching have to be done by hand. Maybe when they put the bike lane symbols in they could also add a couple of cross hatch marks at each symbol. I doubt they’ll agree to do it the entire length of the blvd every so many feet because that sets up a maintenance issue, but they may agree to do it with larger gaps in between. We’ll bring it up with DPW. In short, we agree.

In the meantime tweet/311 thank yous to the city.


ShooFlyPie
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Rode these yesterday for the first time. So nice to ride a smooth street without worrying about pot holes. I saw they were repaving Collins st. I was on that a couple weeks ago and I thought I was in need of a full suspension mountain bike to handle that damn road.


jonawebb
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Great work, Bike Pittsburgh!
Now, if we can get the traffic engineer to meet with you guys while planning repaving…


Benzo
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Thanks for the info scott. I’m really glad this got done. I know it was on a lot of people’s wish lists.


rgrasmus
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Is it the entire stretch (Washington to Liberty) and both ways? Updating Google Maps during lunch break.


Marko82
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I thought this would be a good spot to drop this:

Bike Lanes Don’t Cause Traffic Jams If You’re Smart About Where You Build Them
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bike-lanes-dont-cause-traffic-jams-if-youre-smart-about-where-you-build-them/


byogman
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Great, great save.

So, this is not a PennDot road, this is a city road, that’s why we weren’t ignored, right? That and we had some good luck in terms of who was involved.

But is there any way to see what more city roads are coming up for repaving, see if we can have have similar luck elsewhere? Want to see if we can have more goodness like this.

Also wondering if there are any center lines coming up for repainting on hills. If we could get center lines repainted to make the uphill direction lane is wider than downhill, even if we can’t get also get a bike lane painted then and there, just having more space to make coexistence easier would be great.


byogman
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Marko82 wrote:I thought this would be a good spot to drop this:

Bike Lanes Don’t Cause Traffic Jams If You’re Smart About Where You Build Them

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bike-lanes-dont-cause-traffic-jams-if-youre-smart-about-where-you-build-them/

Absolutely. I’ll go further. I think even when there are jams, they’re overwhelmingly caused by queuing at stops or downstream bottlenecks rather than true capacity issues along the length of the roadway, and have little to no relationship to roadway width.

Taking a little slice to invite another mode of traffic is a clear win, and I think to the extent that happens places with frequent jams, that gets people thinking about wanting to get there faster themselves…


Eric Lundgren
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This is awesome great job BikePGH!


quizbot
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This is awesome. Along with East Liberty Blvd, perfect examples of 4 lane roads in the city that are better off as 2 + bike lanes.

A bike bypass between the bottom of Negley Run & the oval along the edge of the fire safety training lot would be great. It would keep a lot of bikes off of Washington Blvd & make the ride to the oval much safer.


edmonds59
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Very cool but it would be nice to leave some orange barrels on the line between the car lane and the bike lane for like the next 6 months or so to break drivers of the habit of thinking it’s a 4 lane frigging highway. I envision some aholes passing law abiding drivers on the right, in the bike lane.
Every silver lining has a cloud, you know.


scott
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Any intel on whether the uphill lanes were striped yet? Hopefully this got done Saturday while the weather was nice.


stefb
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I wouldn’t mind seeing some of those rogue female cyclist stencils go down there in the meantime (like the one that appeared in the strip).


bhattenb
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scott wrote:Any intel on whether the uphill lanes were striped yet? Hopefully this got done Saturday while the weather was nice.

As of Saturday afternoon, no.


joanne
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When I went through there this morning, the paint trucks were there and it looked like the uphill striping was imminent.


StuInMcCandless
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FWIW, I cannot find a trace of the female stencils on Smallman.


stefb
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I thought it was on river? I haven’t ridden that way in a while.


erok
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they are really faded. they did last almost as long as the sharrows the city paints on.


ericf
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Benzo
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Maybe these instead?


steevo
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I had to drive down Negley Run the other day and was so pumped to
go 35 and have an irate driver seriously 12″ from my bumper


Ahlir
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Out of curiosity…

Biking up/down Negley Run run seems limited in terms of cyclists served. If you’re going to the the Oval it makes sense. What is the benefit to the more casual cyclist?

I guess it’ll get you to the Highland Park Bridge & Allegheny Blvd, but there’s other ways to do that. BTW I would love it if the Washington/ Allegheny Blvd intersection were made biker/human friendly.

was so pumped to go 35
I try to drive 25mph down the High Level / Greys Bridge. It’s hard.


stefb
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Collins may be marked to get new bike lanes. Right in the door zone.


stefb
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steevo wrote:I had to drive down Negley Run the other day and was so pumped to
go 35 and have an irate driver seriously 12? from my bumper

That is everywhere in the city if you drive the speed limit.


Ahlir
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That is everywhere in the city if you drive the speed limit.

Fun fact:
If you drive down Liberty, from 40th on down to the Strip, at 25-30mph, every single light you hit will be green. This is despite the fact that the posted speed limit is 35mph. For some unfathomable reason doing so drives other drivers crazy.


StuInMcCandless
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Driving westbound across the McKees Rocks Bridge yesterday, I held to a steady 35, as posted. And had 12 cars stacked up behind me like it was the Parkway East at the tunnel entrance by the time I made it across, and I think I lost a couple at the Helen St off ramp. Going eastbound, which has two lanes instead of one, I wouldn’t put it past some of them to be going on the high side of 60 in the left lane.


Mikhail
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Ahlir wrote:Biking up/down Negley Run run seems limited in terms of cyclists served. If you’re going to the the Oval it makes sense. What is the benefit to the more casual cyclist?

We cleaned Allegheny River Blvd this Saturday (as PMTCC). Right from Washington and 2 miles down to East. I’ve counted around 10 bicyclists coming out and in. All of them were on training rides and not casual riders.


erok
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lots of casual cyclists like to use the oval. also, if the proposed Green Blvd bike trail happens, it will go to Washington Blvd @ Butler St, so Negley Run to the washington blvd trail make a nice connection


p.leon
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Breaking my one post per year rule but this road is part of my daily commute.

Climbing out of Washington blvd use to be pure hell with a near 100% chance of being buzzed at speeds in range of 45-60mph. This problem is almost solved but still requires a bit more of give a fuck from both driver and cyclist.

Being that the oval is down there and accessibility has been chattered about as another “big plan” my doubts in any form of further progress to resolve issues on negley run will happen any time soon using the current multi million 29 year time frame.

So for once. PLEASE. Can we keep it simple and not piss time away discussing non exhaustively and get this shit done.

In my feeble mind:

4-6 volunteers with a couple buckets of paint and half decent stencils. Three start at top , three at the bottom covering both the stripes and male/female cyclist symbols.

A few hours later a done project and a case if beer to split.

Don’t like beer?

I have a epic juicer and totally can wire it battery powered to juice the hell out of whatever your heart desires.

In the end everyone here wins. YAY!

Simple is best. Less talk , more do.

Word to your mother.

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