Commuting in the city with headphones?

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quizbot
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Really? Don’t. This was at Liberty & 40th inbound the morning of 3.12.12 (yesterday) around 9:15a.


Chris Mayhew
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Taking a photo was somehow safer?


asobi
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This is undoubtedly a still from helmet-cam footage.


Willie
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Its funny that you posted this today, not a hour ago I watched a guy driving with headphones on.


quizbot
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dmtroyer
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I kind of envy the headphone wearers. they seem so happy and oblivious to the world riding through potholes up and down penn, friendship and the like.


melange396
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i used to wear headphones while riding, thinking that it was no worse than someone in a car listening to their stereo with the windows up. i could even hear most cars coming up behind me. then i realized that i had more to lose than the guy blasting music in his car, so i stopped. if i want to listen to music now, i use something like this bag-strap mounted cell phone holder or a breast pocket on my jacket and the phones integrated speaker. sure, you lose stereo imaging on the tunes, but you might hear some dipshit in a prius sneaking up behind you in the bike lane.


Pierce
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I listen to musicpodcast in my left ear all the time

it’s not a problem

Doesn’t look like that one is an in-the-ear canal headphone either so he can probably hear what’s going on around him


salty
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What could possibly go wrong?


edmonds59
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I’ve never felt the need to have every moment of my life accompanied by my very own super special private soundtrack, and earbuds are just one more annoyance I don’t need to deal with. But I’m solidly in the pre-ipod generation.


Pierce
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@salty

And I remember saying that didn’t prove anything on a thread related to that accident


brian j
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Edmonds, I feel the same way, though I remember when it was cool to have one of those fancy yellow Sony Walkmans to play your high fidelity cassettes (mix tapes!). Even on the bus, I prefer to listen to the world around me.

As far as headphones whilst riding go, I could never do it. I find that on my regular commute, I know the sounds of the road (a utility hole cover, road surface, etc) and that helps me judge where traffic is. I can’t imagine losing that sense to listen to something else.


cdavey
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+1 to Edmonds and Brian J. I too prefer to listen to the world around me. On a bike I have an additional, even better reason — I prefer to stay uninjured and alive. Being able to hear what’s going on around me helps me to do that. Plain common sense, I guess.


Greasefoot
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I would need to know what music this guy is listening to before I pass judgment. 


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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Personally, part of the allure of cycling is spending time in my own head-space, free from music, media, email, text, phone calls…

My hearing is dodgy even without headphones – I am certain I would get run over or pull in front of something big and heavy if I rode with headphones in my ears.


B.S.
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Really, dosen’t seem like the guy did anything wrong in the video.


Chris Mayhew
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Even if he did I’m not sure this thread really moves the ball down the field. How would any of you feel if someone anonymously posted your photo with a comment about a perceived infraction?

(and I have direct experience with that having inadvertently made fun of a friend of Scott Bricker’s)

Car drivers, I get. A fellow cyclist, not so much.


quizbot
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@B.S.: nothing wrong:

“Title 75 of the Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes contains the laws which govern the operation of vehicles on Pennsylvania roads.

In Pennsylvania, a bicycle is considered a vehicle and, as such, is governed by a general set of rules (common to all vehicles)

75 Pa. Cons. Stat. § 3314. Prohibiting use of hearing impairment devices.

(a) General rule – No driver shall operate a vehicle while wearing or using one or more headphones, earphone, or any similar device which the department by regulation determines would impair the ability of the driver to hear traffic sounds.”

To be honest: commuting around the city… 360º ambient sound is probably what you should be listening to. Out doing solo hill repeats on a low traffic hill on a sunday morning, you can probably get away with something in your non-traffic side ear at low volume.


quizbot
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@chris Mayhew: do you want that guy riding with your sunday bunch? Probably not, I’m guessing. Discuss.


edmonds59
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Eh, I haven’t said anything on here I wouldn’t say right to someone in person. I try to go by that.

Plus, I fully expect that someday I’ll get called out on someone’s video for something iffy, or just for being a Fred. For ex, the other day, I was stopped right at the foot of Steuben St hill about to go up, and a Verizon work truck with a beautifully placed grab bar stopped right next to me. Oh so perfect. Like BikeDevil was on my left going “go on, that’s for you” and BikeJesus on my right saying “no that wouldn’t be right”. Then Marco Pantani popped up and called me a poosie if I grabbed that bar, that’s what finally convinced me.

Back to the thread.


steevo
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WELCOME TO 2012!

those white headphones that come on iphones

are also hands free communication devices.

Not saying that anybody mentioned in this

thread is 100% doing this, but if you see

somebody driving with headphones they are

probably using them to talk into.


edmonds59
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Oh, yeah, that never occurred to me. Yeah, I don’t use that function either.


quizbot
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Hang up & drive! (or pedal or whatever)


Chris Mayhew
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People have shown up on our Sunday ride with headphones. I give them a wide berth and a lot of flack to their face.


sarapgh2
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I ride all the time with headphones (also work, read, walk, drive, play hockey, and sleep with headphones on). Having grown up with them it’s never ever been a problem for me. I’m sure I’ll get flack for this, but as a headphone-wearer I thought I’d put my two cents in.


orionz06
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The most oblivious cyclists, joggers, drivers, and walkers are those who cannot hear because they have their damned headphones in. You may think you can hear well enough but you just can’t. There is so much sound gives us when it comes to safety, why shut all of it out? An external speaker will allow you to hear both, hell, even smaller speakers on your helmet will be better.


alnilam
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I used to ride with headphones on occasion, and I did some tests to see if I could hear what I considered the “important noises” around me with and without the music. I didn’t think it was all that impairing, but it’s probably better to do without.

The thing that inspired me to stop was when I realised one of the best parts about moving by bike was being connected to the community around you. I love striking up conversations with folks on the street, or at least saying hello as I go by.


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@alnilam I think you cannot hear a lot of contemporary cars going downhills. Literaly, there is no engine sound, only tires just a little bit. I had more then few cases when passing rider with generous space (I always try to give more then 4 feet and if I cannot safely pass then I would hold the line with traffic until we reach a place safe to pass) and bicyclist just swerved into my path because (s)he was sure there is no car. And every time those riders had ear buds. Usually I try not to honk so bicyclist does not get surprised but in case of ear buds I honk. And I don’t care if this particular rider gets shocked and jumps off.


Mick
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@ alnilam The thing that inspired me to stop was when I realised one of the best parts about moving by bike was being connected to the community around you

+1


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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For me, Riding With Headphones falls into the category: Things I Don’t Do, And Don’t Particularly Care If Other People Do.


helen s
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I think the headphone wearers only think they can really hear when in reality they cannot. I once stopped someone to ask directions to a nearby fieldhouse. Their response? “It’s 11:45.”

Sarapgh- read and sleep? Maybe they can start doing ipod cochlear inplants to directly pump the sound into your hearing without having to go through the ear canal.


sarapgh2
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helen – I’d love that:) but no “i” products.


rice rocket
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For me, Riding With Headphones falls into the category: Things I Don’t Do, And Don’t Particularly Care If Other People Do.

Until they find your way into your life like plastering themselves on your windshield. :D


brian j
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I once stopped someone to ask directions to a nearby fieldhouse. Their response? “It’s 11:45.”

I actually have this problem without even wearing headphones.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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@rice rocket: agreed, but then there are a lot of things people do that might result in them being “plastered on my windshield.” I still don’t think that gives me the right to reprimand them for doing it.


mr marvelous
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Everything I have ever learned about cycling I learned from this message board. I started cycling in 2008 I didn’t grow up cycling like some of you, so when someone posts about bad cycling habits it helps. I have learned in earlier post about earphones, filtering, bike ninja, and countless other bad cycling habits. Thing that can save my life. Why when a driver does something stupid is it ok to post, but every time someone posts about bad cycling behavior it gets a negative reaction. This is a cycling message board and why can’t we talk about riding safely. This tread might have saved someones life. How many pics of stupid drivers have we posted, is there a double standard here.


Pierce
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Quizbot has posted a video about a car not driving the way he liked (linked in another thread) that got the same mixed reaction.

If he came from the perspective of “Hello, I notice you’re listening to your headphones and I’m concerned that you might get into an accident due to not being able to hear as well” I might disagree, but appreciate his concern.

Instead, without knowing any information, he just assumes he is right, this guy is wrong (along with other headphone users on this board) and doesn’t even bother communicating his concern to the guy actually wearing the head phones. We already had this conversation, but that guy probably hasn’t been exposed to it yet

It kind of reminds me of when motorists who have no experience cycling tell me I’m going to get killed (and I can hear what they’re saying, despite my headphone)

Bonus points for listing PA statutes, as if people’s behavior is based on laws or anybody actually cares.


dmtroyer
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@Pierce, while I agree repeating statutes and driver/biker/pedestrian annoyances is tiresome… if you have any aversion to repeating conversations, internet message boards may not be the best place to spend one’s time.


mr marvelous
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Don’t get me wrong I think that sometimes these posts need a softer touch, maybe a nicer tone but they can be helpful.


Pierce
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@dmtroyer

C’est la vie, c’est la vie

I resisted posting a message earlier, but this time I was weaker

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