Looking for a Richard Sachs Cyclocross Bike

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Anonymous #

I know this is a shot in the dark, but why not start local first? I am in no rush, but don’t think I would want to be on the 7 year waiting list either. I would like a 58-60 c2c, just incase someone knows of one. Thanks and yes, I know this will be a very hard find.


stefb
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I have only seen one of those bikes. A guy named Cliff, go does the team decaf rides, has and loves his.

I think the name is hilarious. I didn’t think it was real the first time I saw it.


Eric Lundgren
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Is he even accepting new orders except for his team? There are tons of other custom steel cyclocross frame builders out there also.


Pseudacris
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haha, the name


Anonymous #

Stefb. Cliff. Is he a pretty big guy, like 6’2″? I has been a while, but I seem to remember a guy with that name. Wish I could ride with them, but I usually work nights. Great group. Thanks for the lead though. You never know.


stefb
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Nah he is probably more like 5’8″.. I think. I dunno. Most people are taller than me. And I usually only see him on a bike, not standing much.


Anonymous #

stefb, yeah, I think I am not thinking of the right person. Will be a tall order to find one, but I will look for a while and then probably land on something else. The size will no doubt be an issue. Not many 58-60’s out there as it is.


Anonymous #

OT I believe this is the same Cliff that marshal DD with me. :) I know his wife Kate (Stu knows her too).


steevo
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Yeah he is done taking orders.

I tried to get on this team. I want one too


Anonymous #

steevo, At least you gave that a shot. I really like that style of bike with the cool lugs and extras he puts into them let alone how light and agile they would be. Any suggestions on other builders using steel? I unfortunately ride a 58-60, so it may be harder to find a used Sachs anyway. I am starting to realize they just aren’t around. I looked on ebay’s completed auctions and there was about nothing.


jonawebb
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I was going to say, if you can’t get a bike from Richard Sachs, you might try Benjamin Dover or Charles Moore Butts. I hear they do good work.

More seriously, I saw a Doug Fattic frame at TOSRV once, and it was drop dead gorgeous. He’s not making them anymore but he referred me to his assistant at http://www.helmcycles.com. If that’s your sort of thing.


reddan
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@gg: I haven’t checked out his frames in person, but Michael Brown (Maestro Cycles) is a local framebuilder on the North Side, trained by Mike Flanigan of A.N.T.

Also, Anthony Mezzatesta in Cranberry does some spiffy lugged stuff.


rice rocket
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Maybe you can get some dude to sell you his spot in the waiting list? It’s what, 8 years long now?


Anonymous #

@ rice, it says on the website, “non transferable deposit”. Cool idea though. I suspect there are lots of people that lose their $400 because things change in such a long period of time.


Anonymous #

Thanks for the other bike builders. I will have a look.


Drewbacca
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“Also, Anthony Mezzatesta in Cranberry does some spiffy lugged stuff.”

Too bad he can’t seem to stay focused on bicycles… why do people feel the need to drag their personal politics into everything?

Pricing

price increase due to the Democratic Party.

Thank Them


stefb
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If I ever had any desire to try to get a bike from him, it would be gone, as that statement is just douchey and unnecessary.


edmonds59
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Ha, ha, from the same site!

“Please pray

for the people of New York

and New Jersey that are effected by the storm.”

because that’s so much more effective than say, FEMA, or the National Guard, or an actual power grid.


Chris Mayhew
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Tolerant of other people’s politics much?


Pierce
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If we’re going to blame the Democractic Party for increasing healthcare coverage and therefore costs on businesses, how about we blame both parties for not allowing a single payer system?

People who delay treatment because they’re uninsured raise the cost of treatment for everybody. Why don’t we blame somebody for the rise of chronic illnesses? Or perhaps the dead parents of baby boomers?

Nah, let’s just remain ignorant and blame Obama

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/10/seven-factors-driving-your-health-care-costs.html


Drewbacca
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The praying part is ok by me, but I don’t imagine that I would want to spend more than five minutes in his shop. I’d love to talk about frame building and just check out his work but I highly doubt it wouldn’t turn political if his opinions are that strong.


steve k
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If I let peoples politics/religious beliefs affect my shopping habits, friendships, etc, I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have any friends because I think I would disagree with everyone on at least something.

You people are ridiculous.


Drewbacca
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He put it out there, therefor, it’s fair game.


Chris Mayhew
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Miss you Steve K.


stefb
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There are political views that people hold that are outright harmful to others.. And bullshit. Not tolerant of bullshit statements.


Chris Mayhew
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And what exactly are the personal political views of your boss? The people who made your bike?


stefb
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I am not sure. They don’t broadcast it over the Internet.


stefb
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BS should not be used to gouge customers on price just because he is angry about election results. Lame.


Eric Lundgren
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Do you know if he raised his prices because of the election solely? Maybe he raised prices because the price of stock tubing and other items he uses to build bikes went up and he is blaming the democratic party for that?


Eric Lundgren
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Why does the Richard Sachs cyclocross team use shitty Tektro Oryx brakes? I would think Richard could get some better brakes from a sponsor than that.


Pierce
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How much was the custom frame before?

If you don’t like paying $1600 for a thirty year old frame design, aren’t there far, far, far, far less expensive options?

Reynolds 531, while nice, isn’t exactly cutting edge technology (introduced 1935 according to wikipedia)

If you have that kind of cash to drop on a frame, perhaps thanking the parties would be in order


Anonymous #

Drewbacca: “Pricing, price increase due to the Democratic Party.

Thank Them

No interest in this builder. Thanks for showing me that.

I hope to buy used to be honest. Nothing better than recycling. Lots of great bikes are around. Just need to find one that fits me and it what I am looking for.

Thanks again for great input.


Marko82
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They are not local, but I ran across this site that has some older bikes & parts. Something might show up that interests you.

http://oldroads.com/


Drewbacca
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“Maybe he raised prices because the price of stock tubing and other items he uses to build bikes went up and he is blaming the democratic party for that?”

I thought that a series of tubes

was a GOP thing… (RIP Sen. Stevens).

“I hope to buy used to be honest. Nothing better than recycling.”

Agreed. All three of my current bicycles are second hand steel (1977 motobecane, 1998 Schwinn Paramount, and 2002 Trek 520).

If you do consider new, and lugs aren’t a requirement, you might want to check out Milwaukee Bicycles. It’s American steel (true temper ox platinum… same treatment as Reynolds 853) and built by Waterford… and you get to pick the paint color… for $700, it’s a great deal (if you have that kind of money available for a frame).

Also, Specialized has a steel tricross out now and Kona has the Rove.

Maybe a Lemond with canti’s will show up on ebay. I saw a beautiful 853 steel Jamis Nova on ebay just a few weeks ago, but it was on the small side.

Maybe expand your search? I keep seeing this great Waterford steel cross bike showing up on the Chicago CL but it is a really odd custom job with a low standover and reach made for a monkey.


HiddenVariable
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Do you know if he raised his prices because of the election solely? Maybe he raised prices because the price of stock tubing and other items he uses to build bikes went up and he is blaming the democratic party for that?

just going by what he said, it seems the election results are all that matter when it comes to prices. i’d like to think i’m pretty tolerant when it comes to political views, but if you’re just itching to inject yours into every single discussion, i probably won’t want to talk to you. if i’m just trying to buy a bike, what the hell do i care about how obama’s ruining the country? just show me the bleedin’ bikes, and tell me how much you’re charging.


steevo
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If you are buying a bike on politics, I

would really like to see what shoes you

are wearing…

http://www.circleacycles.com/

These guys are a worker owned collective.

Probably smells bad in the shop.


Anonymous #

@Pierce Reynolds 531 as a steel tubing is old – -you re correct. But beyond just tubing — butting or double butting, welding, improving strength by a special surface processing. As a result it’s the same Reynolds 531 tube but lighter and stronger.

http://www.metalimprovement.com/shot_peening.php

http://www.metalimprovement.com/laserpeening.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_hardening — a little bit of theory.


Drewbacca
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“If you are buying a bike on politics, I

would really like to see what shoes you

are wearing…”

You’re missing the point. The man is entitled to his political beliefs… that isn’t the problem. The problem is that he is shouting them from the rooftops and undermining what should be the focus of his site (bicycles). If he can’t bite his tongue on his business webpage, why would I expect any different if I actually stopped by his shop? Frankly, I can’t stand political bs; it’s irrelevant which side of the spectrum someone falls on. If your bicycles are tainted with politics, I’m going to avoid them.


Eric Lundgren
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So it’s cool to wear clothes or shoes that are made by people in terrible conditions who are being taken advantage of as long as the company doesn’t tell you about it?

Its not cool to buy a bike from a guy because he doesn’t like your politics and you don’t like his and he told you about. I see now.


WillB
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No one’s saying you shouldn’t buy a bike from Mezzatesta. It’s just that his website basically says, “hey Democrats, go f@#$ yourselves”, and so some Democratic leaning folks would rather take their business elsewhere. What’s wrong with that?

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