Ongoing adventure of Lance

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Mick
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/20130723/lance-armstrong-judge-dismiss-lawsuit.ap/

In which he argues that reasonable people all knew he was doping anyhow…


Pierce
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Aww, at first I read the title to be “The Ongoing Adventures of Mick,” which I imagine would be far more interesting


Mick
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@pierce Aww, at first I read the title to be “The Ongoing Adventures of Mick,” …

Hush your mouth! This is a family board.


Mikhail
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Mick wrote:Hush your mouth! This is a family board.


jonawebb
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Armstrong given two tickets after car crash
http://www.aspendailynews.com/section/home/165537


Pierce
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Oh how the tables have turned… So now when somebody is involved in a hit and run, can we yell “Lance!” at them?


Ahlir
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Memo to Lance: alcohol is not a performance enhancing drug.


Mikhail
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Memo to Lance: alcohol is not a performance enhancing drug.

Yes, it is. :) Shooters (target shooters) would be DQ-ed right away if ref learn that they got a 30 gr or more 30 minutes before competition. Especially kognak.


Ahlir
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@Mikhail: a good point. A small amount of C2H6O does indeed help performance. Perhaps Lance’s trainer failed in his job (was he not invited to the reception? such a mistake) and Lance overdid it. Life can be that way.

On the other hand I expect that the event featured shapangeskyi and pivo rather than kongak (it is America, after all); maybe harder to keep track of your intake. Perhaps Lance was thirsty, did he ride +100km earlier that day? (and Aspen is pretty hilly.) Again, such is life.


jonawebb
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He’s planning to get back on his bike again, raising money for Livestrong:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/4ae15cc8f859470f9dfdc2d594ccac57/apnewsbreak-armstrong-ride-livestrong-event
I’m sure the Livestrong foundation welcomes his reappearance as the frontman for the organization. What do they have to lose at this point?


gg
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Jon, I think there will be a turning point for Lance. If you look at professional cycling as a whole in his era and realize he was the ultimate fall guy, as if professional cycling can point a finger at Lance and then claim the sport is “clean” is pretty absurd, or he was the ring leader for all teams doping up a storm back then. I find it interesting Contador is winning a race right now and was busted for doping. Where is his lifetime ban? Lance has an abrasive personality and many people don’t like him due to that, but if you really look at the sport in his era, I think he is getting a raw deal. It isn’t like he is the first person to realize doping was the only way to win back then. I also find it odd that when he admitted his wrongdoing, he was pounded even more. To me, that sends a message to all young people that telling the truth isn’t a good idea. I could care less about it all, but think pro cycling is a joke for attempting to pin everything on the American guy who polluted the entire sport. Yeah right!


jonawebb
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The problem with Lance is not that he doped. I know everybody did it back then. The problem is that he denied it aggressively, to the extent of damaging other people’s lives. He hasn’t made up for that. All he’s done is to admit it, and claim everybody did it back then blah blah blah.


Ahlir
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Hey. Let’s be nice. Lance is in recovery.

As you know, a good way to make it succeed is to get involved in some well-defined activity where progress is easily understood (say in km/day) and moreover has healthy and positive outcomes (an improved sense of self-worth, better fitness, etc). Surely you would all agree that cycling is such an activity. If only more people saw it that way. Drivers, for example.

Let’s all wish Lance the best as he struggles to get his life back together. I’m convinced that in the not too distant future we will see him start to make worthwhile contributions to society, and perhaps even become a model that inspires the rest of us to improve our lives.


gg
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One has to wonder if all the dead NFL players from back in the 70’s and 80’s would have admitted to steroid use? I wonder if the teams that won Super Bowls back then would give back the trophies and recognition, not to mention the mega millions in advertising etc that were made if there was an investigation and players were found to have used the drugs? Hmmmm. Lots of guys dead from it. Lance was a huge fall guy. When he admitted doping, I watched it live and he stated he wasn’t there to discuss other cyclists and he didn’t. Of course TONS of cyclists did the same thing. Most were busted for it.


Marko82
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LA chatted with PghTrib blogger…
http://blog.triblive.com/icycle/


jonawebb
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I didn’t know the Trib had a bicycle blogger. Cool.


Adam
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I watched the documentary “Stop at Nothing” last weekend…

And while I’ve always been indifferent to the drug abuse in the sport — knowing you’d have to disqualify the top 20 riders in the tour before you MIGHT find a clean rider in the field to take the jersey.

However, when they start showing how he ran people’s careers / lives into the ground, simply for not wanting to cheat with him — threw people like LeMond under the bus for not even accusing him of cheating outright and tarnished his company’s image for awhile… Was able to use his friends in high places to shut down a federal investigation — even AFTER proof of his guilt was established…

I definitely think the guy is a grade A douche-bag and I sure as hell would never “feel sorry” for him.

They presented the case pretty well that all of his doping was the reason he got cancer and lost his ball in the first place — and that his ultimate downfall was when he threw other riders (Landis in particular) totally under the bus when they were caught doing what they learned from HIM.

It is basically the same thing that happens to large companies who treat their employees like crap. The jaded eventually call up the “software piracy hotline” / “OSHA” / “FBI” / etc etc and spill whatever beans there are to spill, out of spite.

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