Sandcastle finally cooperates!!!

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sarah_q
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Allegheny County and Sandcastle Waterpark are expected to announce an agreement within days that will allow completion of the last missing piece of a biking and hiking trail linking Pittsburgh and Washington, D.C.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10194/1072356-455.stm#ixzz0tYIbMHqr


brian j
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Finally, indeed.

From the article, it sounds like the new ownership (which took over last year?) changed course relatively quickly from the previous owners? I admit, I’ve not followed the details of this discussion, but either:

1) The current owners realize there’s lots of bad press to be had if they hold out any more

or

2) They genuinely realize that the trail will be a Good Thing(tm) for the park.


Lenny
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I was more confident the trail would finally be completed after new ownership took over last year.It’s great news!!


Kordite
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Hoody-freakin hoo!


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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New bridges going up… bikes on trains… Sandcastle getting their heads out of their you-know-whats… what’s goin’ on here? Are the planets aligned or somethin?


ejwme
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now that’s how I like to start my day, with awesome news like that. Tomorrow lets make the good news involve saving puppies too.


ieverhart
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New bridges going up… bikes on trains… Sandcastle getting their heads out of their you-know-whats… what’s goin’ on here? Are the planets aligned or somethin?

My sentiments exactly! This is such a great development.


asobi
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What better destination for a bike ride on a hot day than a water park? The opportunities to gain business from passing groups of riders are huge, and it’s surprising that the old investment group didn’t realize this.

I’m seeing “Lycra days” in their future…


ejwme
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Lenny
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I agree with Ascobi.I know I, and others, will stop by after a long ride on a hot day.The previous owner(s) are really stupid! Total morons!! Having more access,not only by cars, but now by bikes, will most likely get more people into the water park.I would also stop by Kennywood accept the trail access to the amusement park will be seperated by a cliff.My point is, making more and easier ways to get to a place of ones establishment,adds revenue to your buisness!! Not everyone has a car. If I had a buisness I would be overjoyed with also a bike trail going by so I could get more cyclists and walkers into my place.


caitlin
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if this really happens i am immediately planning my trip to dc that i have been putting off planning


rsprake
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The new owners are Spanish if that has anything to do with it.

I would imagine Sandcastle will get a lot of bike traffic from the Southside next year.


caitlin
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the new owner is actually from california. so that might explain it too, hence this quote:

“”We’re thrilled to be on the trail,” Mr. Judy said in a phone interview from California on Monday. “It’s been a very high priority for me to get this done.” He said the park owners did not want to be the only missing link.”


caitlin
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oh my bad, i guess he is just representing them. still.


Willie
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Lets hope the work being done on the southside trail that causes it to close during the week is done soon.


steevo
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Total anecdotal evidence, but I was once bike

touring through germany and totally stopped at a

water park that I happened past on a bike path. I

hit it hard.


KBrooks
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BikeFest ride to Sandcastle, anyone?

(or as soon as the trail’s officially open)


Mick
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YEAH! DUDE!

They have some sort of jitterbug dance at Sandcastle on Sunday nights. I’ve never beent here, cause I haven’t wanted to give them money I had to work for, but I feel the need to drop them a dime or two.

I think bicyclists should FLOCK to Sandcastle.


ieverhart
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Can you help me visualize this? So now (or until recently) you ride from the South Side Works, then on the lookalike Baldwin Trail, and then people take a risk and walk/ride on the rocky railroad access road under the Glenwood Bridge, and cut across the Sandcastle parking lot to the Waterfront, and can continue to to the southeast from there. Will the new trail run right next to the train tracks there?


ejwme
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hmm… someone might want to warn sandcastle that they may need to up their bike rack collection? I envision a dual function sandcastle logo / rack sitting in front. Though their “branding” people might not like that. Maybe a few iconic sandcastle items in sturdy metal outline kind of racks could be cool. Sunglasses, bikinis, water slide, etc. That would be very cool.


rsprake
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ieverhart, that’s what I was asking about in the other thread about the bridges.


Mick
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What better destination for a bike ride on a hot day than a water park? The opportunities to gain business from passing groups of riders are huge, and it’s surprising that the old investment group didn’t realize this.

They will not make money from bikes. Not enough to pay for a parking spot.

I think there will be good opportunities for bikes and water.

But that is 1) only very minor revenue for Sandcastle and 2) only if the bike trend keeps going.

And even then, it would benefit them more from “turn-of-the-19th-century” type publicity hype than direct revenues.

They don’t want to hold out on doing the right thing. Good for them.

They don’t want the bad publicity they would soon start getting for obstruction. Understandable.

But the moeny they might make from bikers? Extremely unlikely to exceed the revenues they would get from a dozen more parking spaces.

The thing that could happen with unsupervised groups of 13-15 year-olds? They would gladly pay much more than the expected revenues from bicyclists to avoid those headaches.

Sure there counerarguments to what I’m saying here. Those counterarguments? Kinda like “If they put out a cup asking peopel to donate quarters for needy CEOs, they would surely make some money!” True enough. But…

Their business is motor vehicles with families that drop enough money in afternoon to buy 3 or 4 bikes.

Transportation bikers will rarely, if ever, drop a few C-notes for an afternoon of manufactured fun. We’re too DIY.

Unless the percentage of trips done by bike increases from 0.9% to maybe 20% or 25%, they ain’t gonna get beans from bikes. Don’t kid yourself.

They are doing the right thing for publicity and political capital, not for cold, hard cash. Good for them.


erok
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i can’t wait for my first trip to sandcastle


caitlin
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i have never been to sandcastle. i am way more likely to go if a bike path leads me there. woo.


Steven
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I’d guess the trail beneath the Glenwood Bridge will run a little north of the gravel area next to the railroad tracks. But as far as I know they haven’t publicly released any maps detailed enough to show the exact path. They’ve just said they have an agreement with the owners of the land north of the tracks to build a connection between the Baldwin Borough trail and Sandcastle, once the agreement with Sandcastle is final.


gimpPAC
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Like ejwme said, yeah they are going to need to install bike racks or something. Looks like car parking is $6 a day…and boat docking is actually FREE…so would they make bike parking free too? http://www.sandcastlewaterpark.com/admission.php#prices

Mick, I can totally see those families riding their bikes on the South Side Trail continuing on for a couple more miles to get to Sandcastle. And I, for one, who have never been to Sandcastle (like Erok and Caitlin), will be happy to make a trip or two a season now that it’s more accessible. So the amount they make off of us may be negligible, but who knows if there is a new growing market out there with cyclists (maybe not so much commuters, but certainly with trail users)? Also, a new ticket holder is a new ticket holder, regardless of the parking issue.

Though I do agree, this was probably a good will publicity move… either way, we win and they win too.


rsprake
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Sandcastle reaching capacity has nothing to do with parking but how many people will actually fit in the park. I think for Southside and Oakland residents, improved accessibility to the park via the trail will sell a few more season passes. If you’re a student it’s not exactly a walk in the park to get to the waterfront.


paulheckbert
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I see kids and families from Southside, Homestead, and other neighborhoods biking to Sandcastle who wouldn’t have gone there before. More visits. Less hassle.

And when bridges are refurbished to allow bicyclists to safely bike across the Mon at the Glenwood Bridge and the Carrie Furnace Hot Metal Bridge upstream from the Waterfront, people from neighborhoods north and east of the river, like Squirrel Hill, Swissvale, and Braddock, will be able to get there much more easily, too. The Nine Mile Run Trail got a new bridge in May, so it’s much easier to bike to the north end of the Glenwood Bridge from neighborhoods like Homewood now than it was a few months ago.

Why spend 30 minutes in stop & go traffic in a car when you can bike to Sandcastle in 15 minutes?


rsprake
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Exactly. There is so much potential for the Duck Hollow trail to connect more of Pittsburgh.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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I’m more likely to park at Panther Hollow and ride via trails to Sandcastle with my kids, than driving through Homestead and dealing with all of that crap.

My kids go nuts for the “dancing water fountain” at REI. Their heads will probably explode over Sandcastle.


edmonds59
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Good hot weather ride – water feature tour – PPG Place, Troy Hill water park (?), North Side riverfront, Station Square plaza, South side works, someday Sandcastle.


Andrew
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It has been a good 2 weeks for trail news!

– 2 New bridges have been erected.

– Amtrak will be starting roll on / off service next summer

– and now sandcastle


Eric
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How about a group ride to Kennywood?


stefb
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i’m down for a flock to sandcastle


ejwme
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Ok, the dancing water fountain in that REI plaza is just about the coolest thing in the world. I completely embarrassed myself on a first (and last) date there playing with it (I’d never seen one before, it was 87 degrees, and I was on a cheesecake high). He thought it was immature. I figured if I drove, it didn’t matter if I soaked my own car seats. Well, it would have been embarrassing if I had any dignity.

I’d flock to Sandcastle. I like the water feature tour ride, that’s a fantastic lineup. Sandcastle’s done a wonderful thing.


rsprake
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Immature? What a tool. :)


raphael
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as season pass holders, my roomates and i would ride to sandcastle like every freaking day. this is awesome. we’re thinking about writing letters “as concerned season-pass holders” to encourage them to actually go through with it.


Lenny
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Totally disagree with Mick. I,my wife, and 3 children,who never go to Sandcastle, will often go now when we cycle by.I go trail riding with 12 others from work and in my neighborhood who will now go there on a warm day when cycling near Sandcastle.I believe there will be a lot of others like myself who will now go much more often when walking or cycling by.


Lenny
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You’re right Raphael!! My next door neighbor and my cousin will be buying a season pass once the trail is complete.I will most likely do the same for my family!! Many others will also be buying season passes when they complete the trail.Don’t tell me this won’t help Sandcastle revenue.


StuInMcCandless
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Seems to me that if they replaced two of those $6/day parking spaces with bike racks that could hold 50 bikes, for free, they’d be screaming with delight at all the business it would gain them. I can see them in the 2012, 2013 seasons saying “Why the hell didn’t we do this 10 years earlier?”

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