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CITY TO HOLD COMMUNITY MEETINGS ON NEW WINTER STORM EMERGENCY PLAN


The City of Pittsburgh’s Public Works and Emergency Management Departments announced today that they will be holding four citywide community meetings in order to update the public on the City’s improved snow operations and Winter Storm Emergency Plan.


At the meetings, department representatives will present the City’s new snow operations during a declared snow emergency and indicate how the plan will affect residents. In addition, representatives will be available to take questions.


All meetings will take place at 6:30 p.m. at the following locations:


* Tuesday, Jan. 18that the Arlington Recreation Center

2201 Salisbury Street, Pittsburgh, PA 15210 -upstairs gym


* Wednesday, Jan. 19that the Sheraden Senior Center

720 Sherwood Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15204


* Thursday, Jan. 20th, at the Northside Senior Center

Allegheny Square, 15212


* Monday, Jan. 24that the Schenley Ice Rink Party Room

Schenley Park Overlook Dr., Pittsburgh, PA 15213


scott
2011-01-11 18:42:29

If I may add - the most popular place to put the snow ploughed from the streets is to the right of the travel lane, where (when there aren't parked cars there) most of the city's bike lanes are. I'm especially thinking of those fabulous new ones on Dallas, where there's little to no buffer between curb and sidewalk, and nowhere but the bike lane to dump the snow.


Not sure what the solution is, but just pointing out to people that it is a problem might give it enough consideration to avoid having "seasonal" bike lanes.


I'll try and make the Schenley Park one and bring it up, as well as the trails.


Thanks Scott!!


ejwme
2011-01-11 19:36:39

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scott
2011-01-12 19:04:47

I won't be able to attend these meetings due to work, but has anybody ever heard of pedestrian walkways on bridges being cleared?


A couple of months ago I stated using the pedestrian walkway on the Glenwood Bridge and now it's basically six inches of snow drift intermixed with the tracks I left the night before and foot prints


Considering going back on to taking over the right lane of 885 while crossing the bridge, but it's always questionable because there's a lot of fast cars around


sgtjonson
2011-01-12 19:27:37

The sidewalk over the Greenfield Bridge was cleared today, along with the entire stretch on the other side towards the park (sidewalk by 7:30 am, bridge by late afternoon). This is new.


I can probably attend the Schenley Park meeting, and would be willing to a) commend the sidewalk clearing so far, and b) advocate clearing pedestrian walkways and enforcing the sidewalk shoveling rules.


jeg
2011-01-12 22:06:00

Bah, you city slickers got it good :P


I'm almost considering catching a bus downtown and avoiding suburban traffic altogether, but that's a whole different set of problems


Plus, I'd probably get caught on the jail trail ice rink (Anybody know if that is starting up again?) *Big patch of ice right in front of the prison


sgtjonson
2011-01-12 22:25:58

I won't be able to attend these meetings due to work, but has anybody ever heard of pedestrian walkways on bridges being cleared?


Not a snow issue, but I had a back and forth a few months ago about gravel on the sidewalk on the 40th Street Bridge sidewalk. 311 said it was up to PennDOT; PennDOT says it was the city's responsibility. I responded to them saying "obviously, one of you is wrong" and long story short, the sidewalk got cleared by one of them... though I forget which one.


ieverhart
2011-01-12 23:32:21

City owned ped walkways and pieces of sidewalk that aren't cleared is a peeve of mine, especially when once a year I get a threatening mass mailer with the mayor's face on it saying I'll potentially be fined if I don't clear my sidewalk within 24hours. I don't know how many people actually get fined for not clearing theirs, but I just think it's odd to threaten it when the city's own walkways aren't cleared.


Something about not worrying about the sliver in your friends eye until you've dealt with the log in your own.


bradq
2011-01-13 00:02:54

I'm with Brad, especially when I'm riding up the sidewalk on Fifth between the Birmingham Bridge and Craft Avenue.


bjanaszek
2011-01-13 00:12:06

I thought NYC had a pretty brilliant idea with hiring anyone who wanted to clear snow on as temporary work force at, I believe, $12/hr. Not Bad.


City gets work temporarily, workers still have to check in/be managed so little (hopefully) slacking since they have not had years of bad habits. And the city wins by not having to provide medical coverage/pensions/other long term costs that seem to be sinking every city.


wojty
2011-01-13 14:01:19

@ben, can you provide a link to a story on NYC and temp snow removal workers? I just tried to do a search and couldn't find anything.


scott
2011-01-13 15:59:29

That is awesome! I would be all over that deal.


jeg
2011-01-13 19:30:53

Thanks steve, that nyt article was the one I had read. An interesting idea for sure, especially if it could be applied to us, as cyclists, for clearing off our own trails.


wojty
2011-01-13 21:24:52

On Monday night, I attended public meeting at the ice rink in Schenley Park. As I was there early, I had about 20 minutes to talk one-on-one with Public Works Director Rob Kaczorowski about snow, bike trails and bike lanes. I told him that I was generally pleased with their efforts to clear the bike trails. Typically, a few days after the snow, cyclists get impatient with the snow on the trail and start calling or e-mailing the city's 311 line. Shortly thereafter, whether through the prompting or merely as a coincidence, the trail gets cleared. Kaczorowski indicated that the trails are at least on his radar and he does direct his people to attend to them. The way the plan is supposed to work is that the clock starts when the snow stops. Then, the crews are to have the streets cleared in 24 to 36 hours. That's primary, secondary and tertiary roads (including trails) cleared in just under two days. Again, my experience on the Eliza Furnace and Junction Hollow Trails bear this out for the most part.


What I thought was more important to mention was the issue of bike lanes. The snow in the street gets cleared but it looks like that snow is being plowed into the bike lanes. Simply having the trucks make another pass 3 feet closer to the curb would go a long way towards addressing that issue. Kaczorowski indicated that it is a training and culture issue and he is working on getting his trucks to provide "curb to curb service", that is, to work towards clearing the entire street rather than just clearing a single travel lane and calling it good.


Additional people arrived, about evenly divided between City representatives and concerned citizens which speaks to either the light publicity for these meetings or the general apathy of the public towards the implementation of the city's snow emergency plan. I won't go into details about the bulk of the meeting mostly because my interests were focused on cycling issues and I had addressed those already.


Something someone else mentioned and that I had missed was the state of a specific section of the Eliza Furnace Trail. Even though most of the trail had been plowed, the section from PNC Firstside, behind the 2nd Avenue parking garage and to behind the County Courts behind the jail had not been touched. Kaczorowski indicated he thought that section was the responsibility of the Parking Authority and after the meeting he confirmed the location specifics with me and indicated he would talk to them about having that taken care of. Perhaps even overnight.


I stayed home sick the next day so I wasn't able to check the next morning as to whether Kaczorowski was good to his word but this morning when I rode in nothing had been done.


As I was taking a photograph of the unplowed trail, a Pittsburgh Parking Authority salt pick-up truck with a plow pulled into the parking garage. I was taking another picture of the plow when the driver came over to see what I was doing. I explained that I had been talking to the Public Works Director and he said that he would get the section of trail plowed and I was documenting that it had not been done and the irony of a Parking Authority plow sitting there not plowing.


The driver said that this plow was broken and they were trying to fix it, agreed that that section of trail should be salted but said that he couldn't get his truck in there and turned around. I countered that I knew that there was equipment available that was small enough to plow that section because I had seen it clearing other sections of the trail and sidewalks.


He then tried to invoke the "9/11 law" in explaining why he came over to check up on me taking a picture of his truck. I explained that there is no such law prohibiting anyone from taking pictures in a public place. He said that his managers had told him so and I said flat out that they were wrong. He didn't press the issue.


We're suppose to get another few inches of snow starting this afternoon, which may render the entire exercise moot.


kordite
2011-01-26 14:50:08

9/11? Seriously? I guess the terrorist have given up on airplanes so the next logical target is salt trucks.


marko82
2011-01-26 15:22:54

(Maybe the Salt Cannon idea wasn't so crazy after all? We could use it on the terrorists who are interested in our unplowed bicycle trails.)


atleastmykidsloveme
2011-01-26 15:40:36

Now if terrorists were able to disable all the salt trucks on the eve of a big storm...


sgtjonson
2011-01-26 17:17:04

Imagine if all the salt trucks and plows were disabled by terrorists. The entire city could be paralyzed by a mere 3 inches of snow.


But, in all honesty, I believe that city employees are taught to be suspicious of people with cameras because of a culture of fear that's been passed down to them through management and city officials who see terrorists around every corner. Someone thought they heard about the "9/11 photography prohibition" and it's become something of an urban legend that gets passed down the line as a way to intimidate people into complying.


kordite
2011-01-26 17:29:41

or maybe the guy didn't want there to be documentation of undone work...


thanks for this great writeup, Kordite & for attending the event


pseudacris
2011-01-26 17:34:51

Can you share your terrorist photography with us?


dwillen
2011-01-26 17:36:16

But, in all honesty, I believe that city employees are taught to be suspicious of people with cameras because of a culture of fear that's been passed down to them through management and city officials who see terrorists around every corner. Someone thought they heard about the "9/11 photography prohibition" and it's become something of an urban legend that gets passed down the line as a way to intimidate people into complying.


it's not just terrorism that they fear, either. i just think there's a very strong culture of distrust among the city's labor force. i remember in a college class, one group's project involved handing out surveys to the city's trash collectors. a manager handed them out and asked that they do them, and the workers all broke their pencils and patently refused. they thought someone was trying to bust their union or something.


hiddenvariable
2011-01-26 17:37:42

I got pulled over and grilled in New York City because my passenger shot a few seconds of video of the skyline out of the passenger window. Luckily the camera had a screen to replay the video to the officer, unlike the helmetcam we had also been using that weekend. After looking at the video a few times we were allowed to move along, but it was a bit over the top. Like there aren't any pictures out there of the NYC skyline.


Best part? We were stopped just outside of the Holland Tunnel if I remember right, but wherever we really were there was a gigantic billboard directly above the road where we were stopped, above the cop even, advertising a Canon video camera to document your vacation.


bradq
2011-01-26 17:44:41

you should have taken a picture of *that*.


salty
2011-01-26 17:52:50

Thanks for the info and for following up! I was the other person there who brought up sidewalks and trails, but I've been busing downtown this week and hadn't been back on the trail since the weekend.


jeg
2011-01-26 18:41:39

@BradQ - Shortly after 9/11 there were signs outside of some tunnels that prohibitted taking pictures of them. I believe the Hollande tunnel was one and teh turnpiek tunnels as well. So the proximity of the tunnel mgith ahve been the issue.


That being said, I think city and other government workers are often afraid of cameras. Same with PAT drivers. With unions and all, they won't get in trouble if you report they are not working appropriately. If you have a pic? Different story.


Politicians are also aware of the power of a viral video.


mick
2011-01-26 19:14:00

My little interaction with the Parking Authority guy may have had an effect because for my ride home that section of the trail had been cleared and there was literally piles of salt on it.


@dwillen: here's the pics from yesterday morning




kordite
2011-01-27 14:35:57

today I rode past the bike rental place by the t station downtown and there was a big pile of salt in front of it, plus a lot of other salt spread everywhere. plus a line of ice between there and 2nd ave, though easy to hop over.


pseudacris
2011-01-27 21:52:54