2014 Crush the Commonwealth

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reddan
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Dan, you are sadistic.
It is also more realistic to do eastbound without sleeping.

I prefer to think of myself as “encouraging.”
(Or “enabling.”)
(“Instigating?”)

if anyone has hopes of setting a new eastbound record next year, skipping sleep is pretty much mandatory. The Tressler brothers hold the current record of 28:28 (I think); beating that would be doable, but tough: basically, a total of two hours off the bike, and a rolling average of 15 mph.


jonawebb
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I think that if you want to beat their time you’d need to ride as partners, as they did, to share the burden of the wind. Or ride a recumbent. Either way seems a little fishy to me.


reddan
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I think that if you want to beat their time you’d need to ride as partners, as they did, to share the burden of the wind. Or ride a recumbent. Either way seems a little fishy to me.

You’d have to be crazy to ride a recumbent on CtC.


Marko82
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You’d have to be crazy to ride a recumbent on CtC.

or

You’d have to be crazy to ride a recumbent on CtC.

So a double negative equals…..


reddan
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So a double negative equals…..

…2X crazy and a side of contrarianism, hold the common sense.


Drewbacca
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I’d try a recumbent before I tried a tall bike…


reddan
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Drewbacca
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reddan wrote:Why settle for one or the other?

“Drew crossed the finish line, three days late with only a mild concussion and one broken arm.”

On the bright side, I don’t think you’d need fenders?


flyS564
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reddan wrote:Congratulations to Stef for her first-place finish, to everyone who tackled the challenge, and especially to those first-timers who stuck to their guns and refused to quit. Westbound is hard no matter what…facing the weather challenges yinz did adds a whole dose of epic to the mix.

(And my deepest sympathies for those who missed the turn for the abandoned turnpike, and merrily rode up and over two 800? bonus mountains. Ouchie.)

Congrats everyone! It was definitely a better year for me and I think I was more prepared. My rain gear didn’t do anything to stop the downpours though, that was definitely the lowest point when the second one hit around midnight after Cowan’s gap. Climbing to Breezewood sucked really bad but, I already saw the abandoned turnpike a couple years ago, it was dark and raining anyways. I also naturally slow down before tunnels… ;) The tunnels might have been tempting to sleep in as well. No regrets now but I’ll make sure to never do that again.

I wrote some notes down, I’m really bad at actually publishing anything so I just hit the button on this one otherwise it will still be sitting in my drafts like 2012 is.


steevo
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Perspective:
Tressler bros averaged 13.3 mph for 28 hours including stops.
Chewman averaged 14.72mph for 8 Days 7 hours and 34 mins.

im guessing somebody super legit could do sub 20


tomh
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I don’t think there is any doubt that a sub 20 is very do-able by even someone moderately legit. (“moderately legit” means “super awesome” by non-racer type riders)

A sub-20 600K is not too common, but certainly not unheard of, in the randonneuring world, and rando isn’t even a race.

That said, most 600K brevets are done with one or two loops, not point to point, so the issue of prevailing winds can be an even bigger factor on how fast or slow you go on CTC, by comparision.

On the other hand, CTC doesn’t have all that much climbing. Only about 50 feet per mile, which would be considerd by most as downright moderate it it was a 600K rando course.

Considerating that your crossing the Appalacians in the process, it’s surprising. The GAP, for as much as well all complain about it, does have a redeeming feature of cutting out boatloads of climbing.


reddan
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One thing that makes CtC significantly different to RAAM, and even a bit atypical for traditional brevets, is that there is no support. Doing a fast rolling average in RAAM is made simpler (NOT to imply it’s easy!!!) because you don’t have to carry anything beyond yourself; even in most 600Ks, you’ve got an opportunity to swap clothes, tires, etc. at the overnight controle.

I dunno. I think sub-24 would be *possible* for a strong rider with weather on their side; that would require something like a 17.5 mph rolling average, and less than 2 hours total off-bike time. Sub 20 would require a 20mph average, and less than an hour off-bike. That’s pushing it pretty hard, IMO, and would require a high tolerance for calorie-dense food eaten solely on-bike.

I’d like to see the Chewman take a crack at a sub-24 run on the CtC route someday.


jonawebb
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reddan wrote:I’d like to see the Chewman take a crack at a sub-24 run on the CtC route someday.

Chew will not do, due to trail goo.


tomh
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Hmm. Now that I think about it a bit more, it would take a “first place finisher at PBP” type of rider to break 20 hours. I’d think it wouldn’t be too much of a stretch for a rider to limit off-bike time to about an hour. That would give them a 15 minute stop every 4 hours or so to re-mix a bladder of frankenfood. So 385 miles in 19 hours moving is 20.3 mph average riding speed. We’ve seen guys in 24 hour races do better than that, but they weren’t contending with rail trails, abandoned turnpikes, and traffic lights (not a minor thing to deal with in getting through York and Lancaster).

Considering the fastest PBP times are 42-43 hours, a sub 20-hour CTC would be a fairly similar feat.


stefb
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I do wanna see the look on the chewman’s face when I tell him that RAAM was easier cause there is support. :)
(I actually don’t believe that.. I just wanna say it for shits and giggles).

Dan b and I have been exchanging emails about riding next year..


KBrooks
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Stef! I had no idea it was just a few days ago! Holy crap, you are the bomb. Congrats!


Drewbacca
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@flys564,

re: ” I saw one rider with a pannier as I entered Rockwood who wasn’t racing that yelled something about crushing it. Who was he? ”

*waves* that was the Drewster! :D


eMcK
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Sub 20 would be pretty darn amazing.

Eating, voiding, route finding, standing in line at Sheetz, Traffic, stop lights, weather, getting lost, wind, flat tires, etc make that sound almost impossible to me.

Sub-24 could happen with a group of maybe no more than three that has a solid system of drafting, eating , and keeping stops to a minimum.


stefb
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I would have to insert a urinary catheter, and carry an entire pizza in my handlebar bag


tomh
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Here is a how-to on urinary catheters for men (sorry steph, no links for women I am aware of):

http://psychling1.blogspot.com/2010/12/use-of-external-catheter-for-racing-or.html

This idea does actually work better on recumbents…. ahem… so I hear.


StuInMcCandless
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I can barely handle the thought of a urinary catheter standing still, let alone trying to bike with one. And any significant distance, just never mind. Somewhere in there we cross the line from Rule #5 to “what, are you nuts?”


jonawebb
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Triathletes have a solution to the urination problem.


steevo
Participant
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Any legit bike racer knows how to urinate while going downhill.
You simply wait for a 2 min section that is 3-5% and straight and
pull to the side and go.

If it is sub 60 degrees and raining, peeing yourself in the last few miles
warms your legs up again and is one of the best feelings on earth.


reddan
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If it is sub 60 degrees and raining, peeing yourself in the last few miles
warms your legs up again and is one of the best feelings on earth.

If yinz didn’t shave your legs, maybe yinz wouldn’t have to piddle on ’em to warm up.


Mick
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Reddan: If yinz didn’t shave your legs, maybe yinz wouldn’t have to piddle on ‘em to warm up.

Oh, man! Pee on razor burn!

As they say, “Yer in for a treat!”


punchcard
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Anyone hear the 2015 start date yet?


Kristopher
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What a coincidence punchcard! I just sat down at the computer to ask the same question of the forum and saw your post. Help someone, anyone! I’m putting in for vacation days for 2015 and would like to know as soon as possible.


mmfs
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Whenever it is – I’m ready to CRUSH it – or be crushed by it!


Shawn
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After finishing last year, I swore it was a good experiance that I’d never do again. 7 months later, I’m already picking out my clothing and gear. I am freaking excited about 2015 CTC!!!

Last year was just hoping to finish. This year is about pushing myself a little more.


eMcK
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People start asking about dates earlier every year.


stefb
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I hope it won’t be the 17th because I will probably be on my period!


Kristopher
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You’re too funny Steph!

For what it’s worth I took a look at the moon phases for the month and the weekend of the 17th is New Moon (in plain English…that’s no moon light). I vote for the 24th where there will be approximately 1/2 moon. On a clear night that half moon would make a nice difference in visibility.

Unfortunately Full Moon is Apr 4th….a bit early I think and also holiday Easter weekend.


stefb
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Eric has the final say in it though and I think it is totally random. And no matter what weekend it is, the weather is always craptastic! It is part of the charm.


Vannevar
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now it’s guaranteed to be the 17th.


eMcK
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I just use this: http://www.random.org/


stefb
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Ok Eric. It is jan 1. Give us a date!


stefb
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I hear it is April 24


purpleburley
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Kristopher
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Thanks for sharing the info on the Crush date guys!


Kristopher
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I need to upgrade my bike computer for this ride. Currently just using an inexpensive Cateye and want to step it up to GPS mapping etc. Any recommendations? Also would like tips on keeping it running during the really long days.

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