A major sharrow coup would be…

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ejwme
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sounds like I should move to Butler – maybe the Cranberry commute would be possible then :P

I like the idea of painting the pavement to indicate that bicycles are permitted to have the entire right lane of a two lane road. Any time I try to “share” my lane politely I’m reminded that cars don’t share, they kill. So I will not “share” the road. I will “take” my lane. Signs be damned. Paint is better.

Sorry, I’m still irate over the other thread.


steevo
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To be fair, the last time I was in butler… I didnt

see any cars, or people either. It was like a ghost

town. for reals.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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I grew up in Butler. Managed to escape 25 years ago.

Best thing that ever happened to me.


cburch
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the only signs i like are the “full lane” ones and the ones with a car next to a bike from above with a line and “3ft” drawn between them.


Swalfoort
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Butler has organized rides on Friday evenings…..I hear that in recent weeks as many as 30 people have participated. Maybe they just don’t WORK in Butler, so are invisible during the day?


edmonds59
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It’s entirely possible everyone from Butler is in Cranberry during the day.


StuInMcCandless
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^wot he said.

ejwme – You do NOT want to be on a Butler County road between Cranberry Twp and City of Butler. If suburban is bad, exurban is inhumane. No, just plain damned dangerous.


Swalfoort
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I think I have posted this before, but Cranberry Township has started a planning effort to identify, and then enhance, pedestrian and bicycle access in their community. I’ve been part of a lot of such meetings, but with each new start up effort, you get the “such and such is a great road for riding” followed immediately by the “are you CRAZY??? I would NEVER ride on that road…..” Finding the balance is an art. Also, Butler County Bike Suitability Maps are also posted at http://www.spcregion.org/trans_pedbike_maps2.shtml#but


ejwme
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swalfoort – I think you did post that info on one of the bike documentation threads, and it motivated me to ask my coworkers to help (btw, I’ve got some routes/racks/Cranberry info to compile from them and send along to you, I’ll post to the correct thread or pm you or something).

I think the general public’s attitudes towards bikes with relation to geography goes something like this:

urban – darn bikes weaving in and out of traffic, someone’s going to get killed / they’re in my way / wish I was on my bike

suburban – holy cow, that was a bike? they’re going to get killed! / get off the road!

exurban – *crickets* / *thump, thump*

After Friday’s Bicyclicious Day Of Urban Riding, there is no way on god’s green earth I would ever move farther out of the city. Just not my style.

I’d still like to see sharrows on major roads in 1st and 2nd generation suburbs. Just to remind/inform my neighbors that we belong there.

But I also agree with everyone else’s sharrow coup suggestions – so to be safe, sharrows should just be painted everywhere :D


erok
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Especially the ‘cyclists have the right to a full lane’ ones in areas like Penn Ave where there are two lanes.

working on this.


erok
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…and i agree, i hate share the road signs, especially the ones where it looks like a car is chasing down a cyclist.


Impala26
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Erok, what ever happened to using the “Share the Road” signs where it shows a car and bike side-by-side viewed from the rear? That sign would be far more effective in my opinion.

However, I think the whole “Share the Road” campaign is flawed for all the reasons already stated. A much better one would be something like “a cyclist is permitted to use the full lane”. I seriously think that a lot of drivers out there simply do not know this and think that people on bikes are “being selfish” when they’re taking the lane and nothing else. I’m pretty sure most drivers don’t give a damn for ANYONE else beyond them when they are driving whether it’s bikes, pedestrians, or even other cars.


kxm
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@Impala — agreed. And “sharing” when you are a car going 35+mph uphill might mean “alloting 4 inches between my vehicle and edge of cyclist’s handlebars.” Or, you know, aggressively riding a biker’s ass even though you’re going to catch the red light even IF I COULD move farther over to let you by.

After all, they didn’t actually run the cyclist over, therefore, road was “shared.”

<scowl>


Noah Mustion
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Those side-by-side signs would make drivers think that cyclists can only ever be in the right lane, never the left…


quizbot
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This should be the norm with signage, as it is an accurate representation of the law


erok
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^^ that sign was only recently approved by the feds a few months ago. technically, the state of PA hasn’t approved it yet, but the city may be installing some anyway.


quizbot
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++ for the city if they start hanging them before the state makes it official.


dwillen
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I would be shocked if all road signs in Pittsburgh was previously approved by the state. The language below all the stop signs telling you not to stop on a right hand turn is different on every sign. Some say “STOP” “EXCEPT RIGHT TURN” other say “STOP” “RIGHT TURN KEEP MOVING” or some other such nonsense. Same with the no turn on red signs. They’re all in different places above the lights and have different formats. The one 5th Ave inbound at McKee is all the way on the left hand side, nowhere near where people turn right on red. I don’t understand the reasoning.


sloaps
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the state of PA hasn’t approved it yet, but the city may be installing some anyway.

If they want federal money, then they’ll approve it.

As old as the city is, it is a veritable museum of traffic control devices. Signals and signs in differing locations and orientations. I’m surprised they replaced all the signals with “orange” red lights – those were confusing… and neat.

One item that will take longer than the handicapped ramps, is measuring, identifying and replacing signs with low retroreflectivity. Basically, if you’re out riding at night and the signs you encounter aren’t glowing from your little LED blinky, then that sign is probably substandard. New signs achieving the standard are so damn bright, I have to squint my eyes sometimes.


Lyle
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How about the white octagons with white STOP letters?

(oh. Those useta be red.)


JZ
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Full-lane sharrows on the 16th St bridge would be really nice. I hate getting squeezed, especially when the next lane over is completely empty anyway.


StuInMcCandless
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There are a couple of road signs around here that look faded in the daytime but work remarkably well at night. I think they’re the typical black-on-yellow “intersecting road ahead” ones. There’s one on Perry Hwy northbound a couple yards north of Pines Plaza.

I’m not sure how the retroreflectivity standards will work with a sign that does better at night than daytime.

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