And yet another…..

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Swalfoort
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Nick D just posted to his FB page that he is the latest victim of a hit and run. Witnesses got the plate.

He’s been to the hospital, and reports that he is doing reasonably well.

I am sure he will post more here ASAP.


rsprake
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Jon Schmitz is pushing up a story shortly, https://twitter.com/pgtraffic/status/268440850927849472


Steven
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Story’s up. That was quick.

Glad it wasn’t worse.


Pierce
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And of course the first comment is somebody saying “bicycles need to obey traffic laws”


reddan
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Don’t even start reading the comments, unless you really want to get your blood pressure up.

I honestly think these comment trolls just look for stories with key words, and copy-paste a random summary of whatever ax they happen to be grinding that day.

“I’m bored and slacking off at work! Please respond angrily to me so I can feel like I have any impact on the world!”


sarah_q
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For some reason Google Chrome won’t load the comments. (Note to self, always read PG w Chrome.)

This is upsetting on so many levels, I don’t need comments to get my bp up.


J Z
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wtf. hope he’s okay and glad people got a plate.


Mick
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I hope Nick is OK.

The first comment I see is a very excellent comment written by some dude named Colin Burch.

There are a bunch of other supportive comments, some quite amusing. Perhaps the tide has turned on that sort of thing.

I hope there is enough evidence to charge the truck driver with aggravated assault or something similar. Perhaps a law suit is in order.

Personally? I think they should keep those damn car drivers off the road until they learn how to obey the speed limit. My world would be a sweet place for bicycle transportation, I tell ya!


Anonymous #

Thank goodness Nick is okay. I skimmed some of the comments and my head is about to explode. I have to stop reading that bilge if I’m going to maintain any regard for my fellow “human beings.”


jonawebb
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I’m glad Nick is OK, but I don’t get why you guys are so upset about some trolling assholes. Notice that the more offensive comments don’t have ‘Likes’ and there are lots of supportive comments. Also remember that after seeing Nick get hit people helped him and wrote down the license number. There are lots of good people out there. Of course there are some jerks, who by this time know exactly what to say to rile us up.


Anonymous #

Because their rhetoric gives cover to the psychos.


Pseudacris
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^this


jonawebb
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Well put.


mr marvelous
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Nick being our close friend makes this personal. I’ve been upset since reading his Facebook post and I really need to relax. The comments get us worked up because he is our friend and many of us consider him family. Negative comments about someone who you care about cut deep.


bikeygirl
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I’m so pissed at this… if I was Bruce Banner, I would have gone full-Hulk and trashed some cars…. ugh


Anonymous #

The comments are made to get people upset. They may not even be the person’s real opinion, but they are just fanning a fire. Relax and don’t bother reading them. Means nothing. I do feel people should be very careful out there these days. It is pretty aggressive on the roads.


bikeygirl
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I’m not upset at the comments -have become sort-of immune at the trolls. However, the truck driver…. ugh! He deliberately hit Nick and then wasn’t man enough to stop and make sure Nick was ok. The fact that those people exists is what upsets me… and of-course! Why would he stop since it was deliberate?


salty
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It’s bullshit. There are a lot of parallels between the way people behave on the internet and how they behave in their cars – they’re isolated from the consequences of their actions and it turns people into psychopaths. At least in one case it’s just talk – but of course those same people walk out the door and get in their cars with the same thoughts in their head. Less of them will act on their impulses, maybe – but as recent events have shown there is still way too much psycho to go around.


edmonds59
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Well put Salty. I do love that one commenter made the effort to dredge up another offensive commenter’s posts on other articles, guy looks like an ass. He is perhaps a little less anonymous than he thought.

Soooo want to see this driver perp walked.


KBrooks
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“It’s bullshit. There are a lot of parallels between the way people behave on the internet and how they behave in their cars – they’re isolated from the consequences of their actions and it turns people into psychopaths.”

What a good point.


gimpPAC
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Glad Nick is ok.

It’s crazy how angry people get out there…and seem to forget that that thing annoying them on two wheels, four wheels or two legs are actually…PEOPLE. You know, with a mom and maybe even kids. Cars are not toys and this is not a video game. You don’t get 1-ups or do-overs.


helen s
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Rhetorical question- What are “1-ups?”

I thought the article said the driver stopped a ways up, looked (to make sure he was just injured but not dead?), then drove off.


gimpPAC
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Helen, I guess you weren’t big on video games… A 1-up is when playing a video game (like Mario Bros) you get an “extra life”.

EDIT: Duh, “rhetorical question” I did not see that…haha


Anonymous #

Well, I hope the fact that life is not a video game becomes abundantly clear to Nick’s attacker. Because with any luck, whatever life the guy has now is about to go “poof” in a cloud of police, lawyers, judges, and permanent records. Hope that split-second rage outlet was f’ing worth it.


quizbot
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Ugh. Bummed & pissed to hear about this. WTF is wrong with people? +1 for witnesses getting a plate #. Hoping they catch the jagoff & make an example out of him. This nonsense has to stop.

Also: for those times when you can’t rely on there being able bodied and alert witnesses, HELMET CAM. Get one.


Anonymous #

Glad Nick is OK. Seriously pisssssed offff at driver.


Marko82
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Glad your going to be ok Nick.

Hopefully since there are witnesses this gets elevated to the attempted homicide or similar level that it shoud be.


TeamDecaf
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Best to you, Nick.


Anonymous #

Anyone know if you can put these http://fiksreflective.co/products/blue-reflective-wheel-stripes on 27s?

I’ve seen them a couple times, like them very much and am feeling extra motivated now… provided it’ll work.


boostuv
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salty
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Yeah, pretty much the usual disgusting uninformed stupid crap… and yet cyclists are the ones that get accused of being self-righteous. The sense of entitlement on the part of the drivers is completely out of control. Not only do they believe they own the roads (wrong), they alone have the right to use them because they pay for them (wrong), and if you happen to get hit it’s your fault for being on the road in the first place (so wrong it shouldn’t even need to be stated).


Vannevar
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Oh, boostuv, you have done me in. I read these things and I am concerned for the future of the world, and for the future of democracy, where we let these people (sorry) vote and then the winner gets nuclear weapons. (oops)

They post ignorant, mindless comments under their names, and you can see the tagged family pictures and the names of their employers, colleges, and churches. Have they no sense?

It tempts me to explain it to them, and then I realize that any minutes spent on them will seem wasted on my deathbed and I breathe in, breathe out, repeat . . . But then I look again and see a comment by Dave Kaib:

And I really appreciate his subtle rhetorical groundwork, establishing both his judgement and credentials at first: I ride on trails BUT I work in Oakland…. And he’s certainly a reasonable man: I try to give four feet, if possible But then eventually the hammer comes down upon that bicyclist lying on the roadside after the driver intentionally ran him over: but the problem’s not just drivers

I sincerely hope he never has a loved one hurt or attacked, and somebody says

“But the problem’s not just the rapists”

“But the problem’s not just the drunk drivers”

“But the problem’s not just the drive-by shooters”

But there’s something else… I went to Dave Kaib’s FB page, and checked out his FB-avatar:

And now I know I’m just having a bizarre dream and if I just abide eventually maybe it will become more enjoyable and morph into trains and donuts and snakes and tunnels.

Because those sure look like bicycle gloves on this person who makes such posts.

Unless his Mummy puts those gloves on him when she takes him out for Dinosaur rides.

Unless that wrong-way smile of his is indicative of a repressed inner child.

Unless he’s into an alt-lifestyle tusk-frottage community (NTTAWWT)

Unless he intends to present himself with an , bald on top / grizzly on the bottom.

Unless he uses that as his Craiglist profile photo, username: RhinoRoughRiderNoChamois

Arrgghhhhh.

Oh, boostuv, you have done me in.


quizbot
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Top story on WPXI tonight at 11. Gave a description of the truck (small, red, no make/model/year) and no plate #.

Isn’t it general local TV etiquette to at least display a graphic of a partial plate in a hit & run?


salty
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Considering I ride that stretch of Wilkins twice a day, every day, this will give me some extra incentive to start using my camera again. For that matter I guess I can review existing footage. Hm, wonder if there’s image recognition software out there to help with that.


salty
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vannevar, the guy cops to being a cyclist (“only on trails”, natch) right there in his post.

fwiw, I’d put his comment more in the “irrelevant” vs “offensive” section, but I’ll have to keep an eye out for him “near bakery square”.


Vannevar
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salty, you’re quite right, and I’m off-balance on this. Sorry.


salty
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Well, it was entertaining anyways. :-)

I think if we ever get to the point where the dave kaib’s of the world are the biggest problem we’ll have come a long way. There are far more disgusting things on that post – not to mention the assholes out there actually acting out this vengeance against cyclists, pedestrians, etc.


Anonymous #

@byog: you probably could get a set of the 26’s or 700cc’s to fit, may have some small gaps between the strips.

or you could rock an alternative style too.

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(sry for blurry pic, it was after the alleycat last weekend & i was still kind of amped.)


Anonymous #

The material is somewhat flexible, so you might be able to stretch the 700c strips to fit. 27″ rims are only a few millimeters bigger than 700c rims (630mm vs 622mm in diameter)


Nick D
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I haven’t been on this board in quite a while, but I thought I would drop by and thank everyone for their support.

I am sore, a little scraped up, and kind of pissed off, but overall I’m just trying to find a way to turn this into a positive thing [and avoid stressing out about the out-of-pocket medical expenses].

Some scrambled thoughts:

I find it absolutely perplexing how often lawless riding has been brought up. I have to be one of the most law abiding riders in this city. I am so to-the-book that almost everyone I have ever rode with has brought up that it is kind of annoying.

Why do I ride this way? Several reasons, but one of the biggest was so when [not if] I was hit again, there would be absolutely no argument about whether I was within the law.

Every “journalist” I talked to tried several times to try to trick me into says I was doing something wrong. Every time I spun it into a dialog about how this issue has nothing to do with laws or infrastructure, but it is really a sociological issue.

None of you knew me pre-bike, but bikes have really changed my life in an extremely positive way. I wasn’t over weight, I wasn’t in and out of jail, or anything that dramatic, but I was on a path much different than the one I am on.

Part of it was the type of peace the machine can bring you, but a lot of it was the community this city has surrounding bikes. I am absolutely overwhelmed to have met so many completely awesome people, dozens of whom graciously offered to go out of their way to help me today.

Getting to know a lot of you has showed me that the bike community is far from homogenous and really only has one thing in common–bikes. That’s what is so amazing. A lot of us have nothing in common with each other but the simple fact that we ride bikes.

I was getting so many phone calls, texts, and emails offering help that I just completely stepped away from my phone this evening–something I never do (I was answering customer emails in a neck collar, on a back board, while in the ER).

I don’t know if I will ever be the person I want to be or if I will ever have the impact that I strive for, but I know that all of you have impacted me greatly and have helped push towards being that person.

So, thanks.


Fun Fact: My dad was hit by a car two weeks ago on his morning run [his was much more serious, though unintentional, but he is now up and walking around and far more bad ass than I am] and it turns out we had the exact same ER room in Presby.

Also, @byogman, I got your email, went back to look for it and couldn’t find it, but we don’t make a 27″ size, because to the best of my knowledge, there isn’t a single 27″ wheel that is compatible with our reflective wheel stripes–you need at least 6mm of area between the brake surface and the spokes.

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