ARE YOU AT RISK? – Area Cyclists attacked.

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RIG4DIVE
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did anyone notice the the name of the “girl” that was lying when she said she signed up for the class.

annie oakly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Oakley

sharpshooter – who died in 1926

so yeah that would be spam.

I for one own guns, love guns, shoot guns every chance I can get.

What I don’t do is carry a gun. I have been trained and I have a CCW permit (which the two toadies failed to mention) but I still won’t carry a firearm for self defense.

Get a taser/stunner, pepper spray, osc spray, rape horn, tactical defense keychain, whatever and learn how to use them. Better yet take a good self defense class that is more about your inner strength than it is outer violence. When I was younger (in my teens) I took some martial arts classes at the local Y and the thing that still sticks with me now is the idea of having a real sense of your surroundings. i.e. really knowing what is going on around you. 9 times out of 10 that simple bit of knowledge is enough to keep you from getting into a position.

Unless someone is looking to hurt you personally, they pick you because they see you and decide they can get away with it. if you look like you are going to be hard, then they will find someone who is easier.

Yes this is easy for me to say im a tall barrelchested giant with a booming voice.

oh back to the point.

the only thing more poopy than cars are spammers.


RIG4DIVE
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Over the last few months in Pittsburgh there have been numerous attacks on area cyclists. In addition, outside of the cycling community, there are numerous shootings every day. Are you trained and prepared to respond?

There are numerous things you can do to prepare and train for just such an attack. As a Certified Firearms Instructor, I teach the appropriate mindset and specific tactics developed especially for cyclists. You can survive just such an encounter!

The Basic course focuses on Gun Safety, selection, gun handling, storage, cleaning and marksmanship fundamentals. The course lasts 4-5 hours and costs $85.00.

The follow on course, Defensive Pistol I, focuses on using your firearm in self-defense and introduces tactics unique to being on a bike and more advanced techniques, including non-lethal options. This is an in depth 8 hour course of instruction. The Cost for this course is $125.00

“When seconds count, the police are only minutes away…”

I will coordinate with you for a free phone consultation upon request. Please provide your name, phone number, and your availability.

You CAN enjoy your sport, your home and be prepared at the same time!


Noah Mustion
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Here we go…


CPollack
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Man, i wish i hadn’t sold my pistol seeing this! I miss my gun. :(


dwillen
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How is anyone supposed to verify you are actually a certified anything? You didn’t post your name, the name of your business (you do have a business, right?), an address or a phone number.

If anyone is concerned about their personal safety, I’d advise against giving a stranger from the Internet your name, phone and times you’ll be at home. At least he or she will know you’ll be unarmed when you meet with him or her for “training” with your pocket full of cash.


J Z
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Now I’m thinking about Jane’s Addiction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwI02OHtZTg


RIG4DIVE
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In lieu of the free consultation, you may also elect to come by Braverman Arms, Inc., located at 912 Penn Ave in Pittsburgh for additional information. We’ve been in business since 1958.


robjdlc
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Man it sure is annoying when a stranger wanders into our relatively thoughtful and considerate community with crap like this.


rsprake
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Ha ha.


Willie
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Nothing wrong with people learning how to protect them self. This happened right up the street from me

http://kdka.com/local/mount.washington.attack.2.1341973.html

If this guy had decided to pay me a visit instead I really wouldn’t have a way to protect myself. Even just unarmed self defense knowledge could help save me or my loved ones.


robjdlc
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I’m not against educating/protecting yourself, I am against being a random ham hawking his goods ’round these parts without even starting a conversation.

Its just an infomercial.


brian j
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Its just an infomercial.

Welcome to the internet.


Greasefoot
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Owning a gun is just bad news. You are more likely to have an accident with the thing then ever have to use it for self defense.

And it was the late James Brown that once said…”I don’t know karate, I know crazy!”


Annie Oakly
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My boyfriend and I are avid bicylcist. Over the past few weeks, we have become increasingly concerned about the escalation of crime here in the Burgh. We were also concerned about the increased vulnerability we have riding our bikes.

We researched may self defense courses. Most were large groups and were unwilling or unable to address our unique needs as bicyclist. We were given Tom’s name and contacted him. He was willing to listen to our concerns, and customize the classed to meet our specific needs and our individual skill levels. He provided us with comprehensive instruction and the tools that we needed to feel more confident in our capabilities to defend ourselves while riding as well as in our daily lives.

If you are concerned about your safety and want to learn, Tom is you guy. He listens and adapts the class to meet your needs. The courses are well worth your money and your safety.

We felt we got so much out of the class, we recommended that Tom place a post on this message board so that others that are concerned about their personal safety and abilities to defend themselves would be able to find him.


salty
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“recommmended he post on this message board” that you signed up for 12 hours ago and have never posted on before? right.

I’m with Rob, if people want to sign up for something like this, that’s up to them. i just don’t want this board filled with spam, especially spam that has nothing to do with cycling.


Annie Oakly
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Well Salty… I generally do not spend my time posting on message boards… If I am not working, I am out riding. I did sign up so that I could provide my fellow biking enthusiast with my feedback on this course. If you feel safe… good for you… I choose not to be an ostrich.


StuInMcCandless
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I do not own a gun. I have no intention of ever buying one.

I have never fired a gun. I have no intention of ever doing so.

I want to ride my bike in peace.

Fix the problem. Don’t make a new one.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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It’s a dangerous world out there. I think about the guy at the Urban Tree Forge, or that family a few years ago that got decimated by the flying landscaping trailer on Rt. 8. I think about Don Parker – a f-ing flip flop!?

As evidenced above, things do fall from the sky from time to time. If my number is up, my number is up. There’s not a whole helluva a lot anyone can do about it.

If someone’s gonna approach me with a gun, they are welcome to my bike and anything else I have that they want. If they are going to shoot me, I’m going to get shot. I can’t imagine a scenario on a bike where i’m going to get all Clint Eastwood and shoot it out with somebody. I’d just end up dead in a slightly more dramatic way.

I guess this may make me an “ostrich” in the eyes of some. I’m okay with that. You can’t prepare for everything. But at the end of the day, what it’s really about is how do you want to live your life? In fear that someone is lurking around every corner with a gun?

Like Stu said, gun training for cyclists may make sense for some people in a certain circumstance, but does it address the problem. Or does it make a new one.


erok
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Noah Mustion
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Man give it up and check the ground rules of the board… “keep it constructive and NO SPAM”… thanks.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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Scarlett Johansson would look good shoveling poop.


rsprake
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Ha ha!


Ross
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Haaa haaa! This thread is such a howl! We’re being stalked by folks who want to arm us (for a fee, of course).

I for one just love shooting guns. I have a great target pistol that I shoot for fun, and I’ve been known to get out the bigger guns and go hunting…(sigh noise)…yes, I kill animals and then eat them up (all fodder for other debates, I guess).

This is all just reference info to make the point that I’m probably one of the more sympathetic people to the guys trying to teach about guns, and I am totally against this stupid spamming.

@rig4dive, I’ll make sure to never patronize Braverman Arms for any of my weapons-toting needs, and I’ll be sure to encourage my fellow shooters to do the same. Jumping in here like this without even a prior “hello” is really uncool.

@Annie, I have a hard enough time figuring out where to keep my U-Lock when I’m riding around, let alone worrying about strapping on a sidearm. Good grief, troll with a better story next time…

@all of you non-hunting, non-shooting folks — just be patient and these guys will go away…


sloaps
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Man, if only Ortlieb made a boomstick holster for my bike. You know… for the zombies.


steevo
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For much less than 150 dollars I will teach you

how to ride away fast enough that you will not be

accosted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw8HvKnEsto


dwillen
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A random person endorses another random person? I’m sold.

Buy an ad or something folks.


myddrin
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@dwillen: +1

Two words are floating through my head: One is something I put on between my feet and shoes and the other sounds like “muppet”…

Personally, I’ve shot guns (deer rifle) and have been hit by shrapnel once. (Friends shooting BBs at glass bottles,bottle shattered… I lost quite a bit of blood. Ahh, to be 11 and stupid again.)

I don’t like’em, don’t own’em, won’t own’em. I was a good shot, but the idea of holding something that could so easily go off and take a life just plain ole creeps me out.

I will say that if you are looking for self defense, I do have a friend who runs a systema/ninpo class on a casual basis. I occasionally stop by, and he is a pretty good teacher. If you’re interested, drop me a PM and I’ll get you in touch.

Or you know… pepper spray… that works too.


CPollack
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This whole situation reminds me of RexKwonDo from Napoleon Dynamite.

“Take a look at what I’m wearing, people. You think anybody wants a roundhouse kick to the face while I’m wearing these bad boys? Forget about it. Last off, my students will learn about self respect. You think anybody thinks I’m a failure because I go home to Starla at night? Forget about it!”


raphael
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BOW TO YOUR SENSEI!


CPollack
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Grab my arm,other arm,my other arm!


mark
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correct me if i’m wrong but I don’t think any cyclists who have been held up have died.

that said the best way to survive one of these encounters is to not have a gun, just like what has happened so far.

if you want to kill a kid on the other hand, get a gun and ride around east liberty every night… sounds great… you might even get shot back at!!!!!


Greasefoot
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Ok this posting is spam and Tom should have properly introduced himself…and this is probably too little too late but i have a family member in law enforcement that introduced me to Tom several years ago. Tom is a certified firearms and self-defense instructor that among other things teaches law-enforcement Act 120 certification. He is a very nice (and very large) person. He most likely did not post his full name for the same reason a lot of people on the site don’t provide a name. I DON’T RECOMMEND ANYONE OWN A HAND GUN…but if someone is interested in basic non lethal self defense he is the person you should look up.


StuInMcCandless
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Annie Oakley is not new to this board. [link]


Ahlir
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I dunno, I think we should be thinking outside the box on this one. In fact, I’m definitely seeing a cycling version of a biathlon here. Awesome!

And, hey, Pittsburgh’s perfecftly positioned to take the lead on this. In particular, we already have a firing range right there on our very own Montour Trail! (Near the Coraopolis end; not even a fence or anything, just roll right in and start shooting. Double awesome!!)

You know, I bet this is exactly what Annie and her friends at Bravernman had in mind. They just went about it in the wrong way. (I know, I know, this interwebs stuff is a devil to figure out…)


Pierce
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Would also like to point out (if I’m right) that no tie fighters have been attacked

So if you don’t want to get attacked, wear lycra! Nobody wants a roundhouse kick from my bulging quads… or other bulges…


edmonds59
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Is that a gun in your lycra, or are you just happy, etc. etc.?

Ha ha


Aaron S
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pedals softly but carries a big gun


StuInMcCandless
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A U-lock can be used as a weapon, if need be.

A gun cannot be used to lock up a bicycle.


JZ
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This thread is just an excuse for me to repost this:


caitlin
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hm, but do you also have these available?

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