Bicycles do not belong on the roadways!
Anonymous 01/06/2013 at 2:56pm #
Bicycles should not be on public roads! Period!
It is unsafe for the cyclist and for the vehicles on the road. Bicycles belong in neighborhoods, parks, or on cycle tracks not our roadways!
If bicycles are allowed on roadways way can’t I drive my golf cart, lawn tractor, ATV, or dirt bike on the road?
In order for bicycles to be on the roadways they should have to be insured, inspected, plated, registered and pay road tax. This means they should also have a horn, DOT headlight and tail light, brake lights, DOT tires and mirrors. Most of all they should have to obay all the same traffic laws as other vehicles on the road.
How many times do you get stuck behind a cyclist where you can’t pass because of oncoming traffic then you finally pass them only to be passed by the cyclist at the next stop sign that they just blew through.
When you get stuck behind a cyclist, I know it is frustrating, but it may be helpful to remember that sometimes you also get stuck behind other cars, and also have to wait and exhibit patience and safety.
A lot of cyclists are also drivers
Cars and Cyclists are both expected to follow rules but both sometimes break them. I am not justifying this behavior, just pointing out that a dash of patience on your part will make the roads safer and possibly spare some lives. It does not usually add more than a few seconds to your route to wait for a safe passing opportunity.
Cars should not be on public roads! Period!
It is unsafe for the 30,000+ people killed and 2+ million people injured. Cars belong in a landfill not our roadways!
@frfx4liii : hope you feel better now after getting that off your chest, you should give riding a bike a chance, bet a little exercise wouldn’t hurt ya!
If I had that much free time I would have
fallen into a pyramid scheme or something
Lots of standard responses to trolls such as this, but, no.
frfx4lii was probably texting this while driving… fortunately, there are meds available for people suffering from road rage.
But if you’re serious about all the DOT stuff, then I think that public parking should be made private as well. If you want to park on our public streets and take up space that could be a bicycle lane, you should have to pay to reserve that space each day. I hope you have a garage or driveway.
His name is Mike, he lives in Pittsburgh, and his license plate, at one point, was YJH-8036.
Mike has also changed the exhaust on his Maurader because his drag pipes were too loud…
Opinions are like ass-holes, everyone’s got one.
Here’s mine: even a modest lift of 2″ creates a hazard for drivers in cars who can’t see dangers on the road ahead because the truck/suv in front of the driver blocks visibility. Lifted trucks have no place on roads, keep them in the mud!
But hey, MIke is entitled to his opinion. As long as he values human life and wouldn’t run down a cyclist or otherwise intimidate based on his opinion… then I have no problem!
Anonymous 01/06/2013 at 10:28pm #
The roads are a public good. You or I don’t own them, we use them. Funding comes from many sources of which gas taxes are only part. So first off, you can thank cyclists INCLUDING those that don’t drive, for subsidizing your driving while not putting any comparable wear on the roads.
Unsafety comes from heavier motorized vehicles as they have the heft and speed to be deadly implements. This is expressed in rather grim statistics. It shouldn’t have to be that way, with safe driving habits, accident rates could be near zero. But such as it is, cars are regulated both for the safety of the driver and occupants and for others. And that is the primary reason for enforcement of traffic laws and regulations and the reason the other vehicles you cite are not allowed on the roadways.
Based on the statistics, you could make a strong argument that those should be more stringent, or at least more stringently enforced. Especially speed limits. But I rather doubt that’s what you came here looking for, you want to go full speed to your destination and you see bikes as an impediment.
So then, if you feel delayed, then seeing them move past you again at the next stop triggers a sense of righteous injustice. I get that, I really do, and going through a stop full speed is irresponsible regardless of vehicle. No thinking person would say otherwise. But very few bicyclist actually do this.
Going through stops slowly which is the common case (even for cars) is more debatable. I consider a bike like a pedestrian when moving at pedestrian speeds and while jaywalking is technically a crime, it’s not enforced because it’s clearly not worth the effort. Bikes can also see into intersections better than cars. If that asymmetry in enforcement bothers you, then perhaps you should ride rather than drive since, being less of a danger to others, you’d be a little more free to exercise your judgement in these scenarios.
Righteous indignation is a dangerous emotion, doubly so when you have a deadly implement at your fingertips. If the idea of getting on a bike doesn’t strike your fancy, you need to at least cool your jets. And it’s actually very easy.
You mentioned that this bicyclist you passed later passes you. So then, the average speeds are pretty close, no? Great, so just ditch the road race mentality entirely and stay behind the bike. Will be kinder to your car, less gas, less brake, kinder to yourself, less stress, less feeling of futility, kinder to the environment, and hey, incidentally, kinder to the bicyclist too.
Give it a try and let me know if you change your mind and want to ride some time.
Anonymous 01/07/2013 at 1:03am #
The truck in the photo is not his current truck. He now own’s a 2006 ford f-150.
The plate may or may not be current.
Actually his name is Mike Schneider and he lives in Hampton township. It’s amazing how un-anonymous the Internet is when you use the same username everywhere for a decade or so. Actually, I m being nice, as I managed to find his home address, phone number age and all sorts of other stuff in about ten minutes using publicly available information. All based on s screen name.
Hampton, eh? Then there’s a fair chance we could be sharing the same piece of asphalt from time to time.
OK, then, I will chip in a couple of cents worth. When I’m *not* on my bike, I’m the guy driving at or perhaps even a couple of ticks below the speed limit. I’ve learned, from cycling, that getting around by bike isn’t that much slower than driving provided you drive the speed limit. You will occasionally see me biking down McKnight Road, taking the entire right lane. Cars go flying past me in those other two lanes, only to have me catch up with everyone at the next light.
One other thing: Since you have a license and operate a vehicle, perhaps a refresher of the rules is in order. Here’s Chapter 33.
Alison Park to be specific. I also found what I’m 95% sure is his Facebook page, even though its locked down. Amazing how many old wannabe hippies turn into real jackasses.
If any of you damn bikers can share with me how you get out from paying taxes a “normal” driving person does, please tell me. I have never even had a permit. But god damn i am robbed in taxes every week.
“How many times do you get stuck behind a cyclist […]”
This doesn’t happen as much when you ride a bike
Yeahhhh, i’ve many times pulled up next to one of those cyclists,smiled,nodded,chatted,rode together or carried on with my day.
I never in my life want to know the horrors of having to slightly turn my steering wheel from 10-2 to 11-1 and apply a few more pounds of pressure to a gas pedal and pass one of those monsters. Ughhh.How do you do it?!
I never have figured out why pushing my foot down an inch or so against mild resistance while sitting in an easy chair in a sealed, climate controlled environment with music playing in a great stereo system makes me more of a badass and more manly in general than moving under my power and being exposed to the extremes of weather with only my clothing and beard to protect me.
Anonymous 01/07/2013 at 5:14am #
I know this gets really, really, really old to respond to each time, but let’s acknowledge one thing:
This perspective is very, very common.
I believe THAT is why the thread wasn’t killed in spite of being started in a counterproductive way. For that same reason, I tried to put out a real response.
Too long? Yeah, I know I do that. Total waste of time? Likely yes, but someone might read and think about what we say even if perhaps not the poster himself, things have a way of getting linked to if they stand out.
And at least it’s not actively harmful. Sarcasm often is, even if it’s fun, and making things personal always is.
Let’s just put out the better argument. It’s so easy.
Good night folks.
Well byogman, I’ve done a lot of “putting out the better argument” on this forum to seemingly no avail.
People are going to do what they want to do, and make a biased argument that supports their existing behavior
I’m going to assume this is the guy’s only real issue:
“Most of all they should have to obay all the same traffic laws as other vehicles on the road. How many times do you get stuck behind a cyclist where you can’t pass because of oncoming traffic then you finally pass them only to be passed by the cyclist at the next stop sign that they just blew through.”
This used to happen to me all the time when I was coming home in Moringside on Morningside Ave. Cars would blow by me, then have to stop at a stop sign ten feet ahead, and I was basically coasting and would keep up with them. They started behind me, yet I would have to hit my brakes five feet later because they got in front of me and then had to come to a stop. And this would go on for blocks. Sometimes I would get sick of that and just coast through stop signs as they kind of yielded to the stop signs.
There is a disagreement in the cycling community as to whether or not bicycles should follow all vehicular laws. I don’t think they should. If I’m going slow enough to safely check an intersection before entering it, why should I come to a complete stop?
I also feel like there’s a double or higher standard being made of cyclists. Why do cyclists have to obey all the laws when the vast majority of cars don’t for example, come to a complete stop at stop signs, don’t follow the speed limit and are often doubling it, run red lights waaay after the yellow, initiate left hand turns waaaaay after the red light (often multiple cars do this in a single light change), etc.
To me, that seems a) less courteous and b) more dangerous than me coasting through some neighborhood stop signs.
With the present infrastructure, we have to interact with each other there’s not much I can do about that. I need to get to work and get groceries and go places and my bicycle is the most economical and often fastest way to do it.
It’s not my intention to slow you down or get in your way. Myself and the majority of other cyclists on here have no interest in getting in an accident and ride accordingly. Sometimes us riding safety might slow you down, but we’re doing it for a reason, explained in detail here:
So I guess thanks for waiting to safely pass and we don’t appreciate or support unsafe cycling either. At the same time, we’re also a diverse group, and just as I’m sure you’ve seen questionable motor vehicle operating, some cyclists do the same thing.
I think everyone’s responses have been wonderfully rational and reasoned, pseudacris kicked it off very nicely.
It seems like the original post was some kind of calculated inflammatory grenade hoping to elicit emotional and irrational responses, rather than being an actual impassioned sentiment. Perhaps with some intent of demonstrating how wacky and irrational those crazy bikers are? If so, that’s been a complete failure. Bravo everyone!
Also mr frfx4ayeayeaye, yes, they do. Buhbye. !
I thought the discussion was good, but the tracking down of whoever the guy is, his truck, etc. was a little harassing. He has a right to his opinion, repellent as it is, and we don’t need to try to suppress it, even by posting his name, etc. There’s something of a threat in that.
Anonymous 01/07/2013 at 1:32pm #
At least BYOGMAN tried to put up an arguement the rest of the cry babies couldn’t even defend themselves. Your not going to change my mind on the subject. You all are right as far as cyclists are a hazard as well as deer, pedestrians,and other vehicles. I try to get around cyclists as soon as possible to eliminate such a hazard and distraction.
I understand the commuting and I applaud the effort. I still don’t see why you don’t feel that you have to obay the traffic laws and get special considerations. Back to the golf cart or riding tractor, why don’t they have the same rights. Should we talk about the bicycle messangers downtown? If I drove like they do I would loose my licence, what about them? Oh wait, they don’t need licence to ride on public roads.
Anonymous 01/07/2013 at 1:36pm #
I concur that Pseudacris started it off nicely. I don’t think that the responses orthogonal to the original post help the cause. And there was some middle ground between the two, but on the whole I was disappointed.
It’s hard to tell whether it’s an actual sentiment or someone just saying something to rile us up. Statistics say it is trolling, but the thing is, a hypothetical subsequent reader linked in from pro or con source doesn’t know or care. Since it’s such a common sentiment I thought it was important to address without cynicism.
Pierce, I agree with the examples you cite, the site you cite, and the feeling of making the argument making no difference. But that feeling is misleading. It’s true there will always be a lot of folks who have exactly this perspective but the only way to chip away at that is at least try to reach people. Best way is get them on a bike, but when we can’t do that, putting good stuff out here, even in response to trolling, is a start. And btw thanks for contributing to that.
“Your not going to change my mind on the subject.”
So, if you are not interested in dialogue, if you have already made up your mind, if nothing we say will change your mind, then why are you even here? Why do you ask us questions and then say explicitly that you don’t care about the answer?
In common parlance, that is a troll.
Anonymous 01/07/2013 at 1:42pm #
Response to my PM to frfx4lii
Short of an editorial in the paper which nobody will read, I feel this is a good place to voice my opinion. Whether to strike up a discussion or better yet get this out in the open. I feel strong about what I said and I am not a cyclist of course but I still don’t see why cyclist get special privileges and considerations. If I have to follow the rules of the road then cyclists should too.
So hey guys, here’s someone putting out a common sentiment and thankfully for once it’s not directly on the heels of a car hitting a cyclist and various blame the victim responses. We should ENCOURAGE this.
Anonymous 01/07/2013 at 1:45pm #
You may be sure I’ll never change your mind. It’s hard to do that until you get someone on a bike. Honestly my perspective is worlds different than it was just 4 months ago.
But let’s approach this with less cynicism, ok? Just to get down to brass tacks, what parts of your initial statement do you feel my argument didn’t address and why?
To frf4xlii’s point, I see the issue of cyclists disobeying (note sp.) the traffic laws as somewhat akin to civil disobedience. We have the inherent right to safe transport, but this right is being denied to us by infrastructure designed for cars (and car parking) instead of including bike lanes, etc., by laws designed for automobiles, and by the attitudes of drivers like him. (On average about one cyclist a day dies due to this in this country.) We are under no obligation to follow unjust laws, so long as we take responsibility for our actions, and don’t endanger others.
Ooh, “crybabies”, that’s the way to ramp up the civility.
frfx, you seem to be mixing up a whole stew of concerns that are a little difficult to address as a stew, bikes don’t belong on the roads, but you applaud the commuting effort, but you’re unhappy that you think that we think that we don’t have to obey the laws, then, messengers, aagh! Phew!! I can see why you’re unhappy, it’s a mess in there!
On top of that you seem to think that everything beyond your own nose is a hazard. That must be scary! But no, it’s not you, of course.
You do however need to change your opinion about one thing – bikes do belong on the road. It’s the law. Deal with it.
frfx4lii, talk to your city councilman or state representative about licensing and insurance for bicyclists. Bottom line, it’s too expensive.
Personally I see drivers speeding, running red lights, not yielding to pedestrians, etc. Disobeying traffic laws is not unique to people on bikes.
If you want to drive your golf cart or tractor on the road feel free to contact your state legislators. There are certainly places in this country where it is legal to drive a golf cart on the road. That has nothing to do with bicycles which already have a legal right to use the road. Who exactly is asking for “special considerations” here?
BTW, are you claiming you never exceed the speed limit, roll through stop signs, etc. or are you just a hypocrite?
I’m sure I’ve followed tractors on the road in Western PA.
What strikes me is the complaint that deer, bikes, and pedestrians are the hazards listed.
I offer that other motorized vehicles are the main hazards- Mr. Schnieder is in much more danger from other motorized traffic except for the case where he puts himself in danger by his reckless driving fueled by his own impatienece.
It’s like complaining about the possibility of getting eaten by a shark while driving to the beach. Your life is in much more danger from the latter.
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