Bike corrals, they're happening

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salty
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Oakland is definitely the real MM, the rest are imitations.


erok
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gotta say, since the shadyside one went in, i haven’t been to the oakland one, except maybe once for half price food.

you can like, talk to the person you’re with.


sarapgh2
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This is an excellent spot for a corral (also wish they would’ve put more racks in), but I’ll be interested to see how the traffic is through here now on a fri/sat night. The car traffic here is always for shit, with SUVs stopping to drop off people at Casbah (which I also love) and isn’t there still a valet drop off? Plus the road is crap so I always take the whole lane. Should be interesting.


erok
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yeah, the city didn’t actually remove any parking for this one. the space was used also by people illegally parking near a fire hydrant.


sloaps
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That highland ave one feels like Fuel and Fuddle without the beer list.


StuInMcCandless
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FWIW, there’s a Mad Mex on McKnight Road, too. No bike rack, of course (the last I checked). Who uses a bike in the North Hills?


Anonymous #

Wow, that bike corral is pretty awesome. We have arrived! I can’t believe what is happening sometimes! Great!


buffalo buffalo
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was highly entertained the last time i was out that way, when the signs had gone up but none of the actual bits, to see a full-size SUV parked in what was clearly marked as “Bike Parking”…


Mick
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pbeaver a.) the oakland one is better.

I live near the Oakland Mad Mex. I really, REALLY wish it didn’t suck.

Example: When they get even a little crowded, they put their music so it is both loud and muffled – makes it hard to talk, but if you try to listen to the music, you can’t hear it well either. When I’m in a restaurant and it isn’t closing time and they try to drive me out? They succeed.

They make money, sure. Lotta stupid and stylish folks in that neighborhood.

They still suck.


cburch
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yup. even when i lived on dawson st, and my best friend lived in holmes place a block away AND my roommate was a cook at the oakland location, we still went to the mcknight rd one unless it was half-price time. that one is still my favorite. exactly the right size and ambience.


Benzo
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Seems like a big space for only 4 ‘Staple’ racks. I’d like to see 2 or 4 more ‘Staple’ racks installed. I’m Glad to see progress with corrals regardless.


melange396
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i think i agree with all the rest of you: the oakland location is great EXCEPT that its loud and crowded and dark and sometimes douchey. at least shadyside isnt so loud and crowded and dark…


Anonymous #

i guess im kinda partial to the place after going there for a decade.


melange396
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pffft, thats it!?!


erok
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cburch
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seriously? what took you so long to start going there?


John
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Scooter spots.


salty
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The “ambience” on mcknight is about the same as chuck e. cheese.


cburch
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you sir are grouchy


stefb
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I hate the one in oakland because of how loud it is


sloaps
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Was that installed correctly? OTB parking space is the same size but has two of those rack structures.

I concur with the McKnight road mad mex experience. It’s the patronage and the space programming – like cracker barrel attempting to be “hip.”


Anonymous #

Yeah, I went past there this morning–I think they’re short one rack.

Two things I don’t love about the Shadyside Mad Mex:

1. Too many bro-dudes.

2. They still haven’t figured out their take-out process. 45 minutes for chips and salsa? Come on!


mr marvelous
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Haha I just googled bro-dudes.


Anonymous #

Hee heeeeee..now just look around if you go to Mad Mex Shadyside… :)

(I still go there and eat of course!)


Pierce
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Agree with McKnight road being the best; only one I can seem to recall being able to hear people in; Shadyside one is still pretty damn noisy/dark if I recall, but has the bonus of being able to look down on people

Also underwhelmed with the bike parking. It seems like four triangle racks right behind it could do the same thing. OTB got it right


Anonymous #

I have a little concern over that bike corral. It looks so excessive with so little parking for bikes. I would like auto drivers to get it, but how will they get it if a cyclist doesn’t? I am happy it is there, but wish it could handle more bikes or was a little smaller. What do you folks think?


StuInMcCandless
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My chances of going to Mad Mex: near zero.

My chances of going to OhYeah!: near 100%.

I’m glad it went in, but yeah, it should be able to handle about 15 more bikes.


erok
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ok, so this got a bit broiled up in Peduto’s bike corral project (remember that?), so what’s happening is that this is technically the temporary rack until Peduto is ready for the Shadyside specific corrals. they are currently being designed in some sort of competition, then they need to go to art commission, then fabricated, and installed. Since we’ve been working on this location since april, when Mad Mex removed their racks for sidewalk dining, all parties were desperate to get something in, but it was also identified as a location for the shadyside bike corral project. so here’s hoping that the shadyside corral design holds more than 8 bikes.


jonawebb
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Thanks. I love it when the clear light of informed knowledge breaks through here.


Anonymous #

erok, cool, thanks for that information.


Anonymous #

“So hot right now”


Pierce
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@erok

Why do we even need fancy, custom made bike racks? There’s no way that that can be more economical than just sticking in two of those four-unit U-shaped racks in there.

If we have to have a contest/bureaucracy every time somebody installs a bike corral, it seems like it will really muck up the process

I’d rather see a standardized design, like the OTB one, that interested parties can use, and then just worry about getting approval from whoever is in charge of turning car parking into bike parking

There’s nothing I hate more than investment in poor infrastructure (see Trader Joes new rack, placement of 3r rack, Whole Foods green ankle rack, GE Market District orientation of 3r rack, etc)


erok
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There is a standardized one that came from that, that could be used.

It was standardized in July: http://bike-pgh.org/blog/2012/07/12/pittsburgh-art-commission-approves-bike-corral-design-for-citywide-use/

Bill Peduto wanted Shadyside to have a special one, so has this contest. If another hood wants a corral, then they can use the city standard one posted above. That is unless their council person wants to take the time to do something special


Anonymous #

hmm, actually i might have been going to MM-Oakland for closer to 17 years.

(took a while for them neurons to collide.)


cburch
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@pbeaver – that makes more sense. on multiple levels…


Vannevar
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Kind of an interesting teaser in a closing cliffhanger line at Brooklyn Spokes:

Congratulations to the advocates, DOT staffers, and, of course, the owners of Little Zelda for making this latest bike corral a reality. The next step? Bike corrals on residential streets.


Marko82
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^Cool, but how are you suppose to lock up to that rack?


mark
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it’s such a safe neighborhood those racks are just there to hold up bikes that don’t have kickstands!


StuInMcCandless
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Not a lock in sight. Also notice the small child on a bicycle on the left of the picture. In mixed traffic.

Now y’see, in civilized countries, they can have nice things.


Vannevar
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Stu, +1 for noticing the “unremarkable kid on bike”, sort of like the DogThatDidNotBark.

If you look at that nice cream-colored step-through in the photo, I think there’s an integrated frame lock engaging the rear wheel, where Stateside bikes would have only the rear brake.

I think they lock their bikes, it’s just that their market produces bikes that aren’t awkward and inconvenient to lock. Whereas for us, a bike lock is an expensive third-party add-on, heavy, bulky, and a pain.

Hmmm. Wonder where more bikes get stolen – where security is subtly integrated and painless, or where security is awkward, expensive, ungainly, and counter-intuitive?

I didn’t coin that phrase. AEUCI (awkward, expensive, ungainly, and counter-intuitive) is what my parents originally wanted to name me.

But seriously, if we have signs/ youtubes/ discussions about how to lock up your bike correctly, isn’t that an indictment of the design? ie: it just works?

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