Bike/Pedestrian unfriendly intersections

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StuInMcCandless
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In practice, there isn’t any real problem getting across any part of this corner. It’s just laziness on someone’s part to put up signs than have a ped-xing button on these crossings.

Something for Walk//Bike Ross to work on.


zzwergel
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@stu,

Just cross on green while making sure there is no traffic about to run you over

Then why don’t most of the signalized intersections in Lawrenceville which also lack pedestrian signals have the “No pedestrian crossing” signs as well?

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zzwergel
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I just submitted a pedestrian signal request for the Washington Blvd./Allegheny River Blvd. intersection.

311 ID.  225509


zzwergel
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Is it possible for this sign to appear at signalized intersections on complete streets?


Benzo
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That’s a very pointed question. I feel like you have a specific location in mind. You would think in the hypothetical simple case that the answer would be no, but the reality is quite a bit more complicated.

Pittsburgh has a complete streets policy (by law) and is advancing towards a vision zero policy (currently only an executive order I think). However, that’s really about informing current and future design changes, but not necessarily backfilling these new design targets against all existing infrastructure. Design decisions are made differently than they used to, but many legacy designs still persist. It may take a long time before decisions are revisited or addressed unless the streetscape is changing or it is specifically prioritized by city leadership. Complete streets also don’t mean that every street prioritizes every mode, and some street infrastructure will target one mode while de-prioritizing other modes.


zzwergel
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Vision Zero. Doesn’t that mean no fatal car crashes?

Complete streets also don’t mean that every street prioritizes every mode, and some street infrastructure will target one mode while de-prioritizing other modes.

What does “Complete Streets” actually mean?


StuInMcCandless
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Start by reading the Wikipedia article on the subject.


zzwergel
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I do not know where to post this, but I think it might belong here.

Would installing BMUFL signs at each end and every 1/2 mile along the 45MPH posted speed limit section of Allegheny River Blvd. in both directions help reduce harassment? @rustyred said in a post that those signs were recently installed along Becks Run Rd. There already have been “Share the road” signs along ARB for as long as I can remember as well as seeing a ghost bike across from Sandycreek Rd. I remember seeing the ghost bike and signs back in 2003-2006 when I was seeing a therapist in Penn Hills. I also noticed the shoulders are not wide enough to sideline disabled vehicles, but appear to have ample. room for pedestrians and an occasional bike. Don’t forget there are many houses and businesses between Nadine Rd. and Sandycreek Rd. Residents need a place to walk their dogs and jog so the shoulder along there should remain clear for those activities.

Eastbound shoulder wide enough to acomodate an occasional cyclist. Cyclists must take the lane westbound.

“Share the road” sign.

I’m pretty sure the people who live here do not appreciate speeding traffic in front of their house. Why is the house number 4829 and not 10400 as Allegheny River Blvd. is parallel to Frankstown Rd. 4829 should be in Lawrenceville given this is a continuation of Butler St.

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zzwergel
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Would a stop sign here do any good?


zzwergel
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Bump!


StuInMcCandless
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There are ways to calm traffic. Stop signs will do more harm than good. An overhead traffic light that cycles red green red green red green every 10 seconds would be more effective.

Something like this. You can see it changes often, so will slow accordingly.

A BMUFL sign here would be most welcome.


zzwergel
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‘Why would a stop sign do more harm than good? Maybe put a sign saying something like “Bikes merge from left lane ahead” underneath the stop sign. Put up a sign with an arrow pointing to a green box warning of merging bikes from the left as well as  BMUFL signs and sharrows in the right lane to Craft Ave. Sharrows should be painted in the right lane from Craft Ave. to Schenley Dr.


zzwergel
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Push to top.


StuInMcCandless
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Z, signs by themselves have little value, and the faster the ambient speed, the lesser that value, but the number line does not stop at zero. You can get negative value where you have a mere sign for speed control. Some drivers will see it and attempt to slow to the desired speed, but others will not, setting up the likelihood of rear-end collisions.

A rapidly switching signal, like the video I posted, would have much better effect.


zzwergel
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I do not understand the reason for speeding here. There is a traffic light ahead that will more than likely require stopping. The traffic light is not going to wait for anyone. It will turn red and it will turn green at the same time regardless of how early in the cycle a vehicle arrives at the red light. Because of this, there is absolutely no need to use excessive speed prior to approaching a series of signalized intersections with large volumes of pedestrian traffic in all directions during every cycle. I think installing stop sign and rumble strips across the ramp to force vehicles to slow down.


StuInMcCandless
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That’s the exit ramp from the Parkway East. Entirely possible traffic could be going 75 mph at the far end of that exit ramp, and most will be 50+. From that, the light at Craft is not yet visible. If you want to get them to 25, tops, with the expectation of slowing them to the 12-15 mph of bikes in that lane, you need to place a blatantly obvious traffic control device in such a manner that it will not cause more trouble than it solves. A rapidly changing light accomplishes exactly that. Signs do not.


zzwergel
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Sorry for being inactive. I am currently in Key West, Florida and returning this Saturday. Along the Overseas Highway, most of it has a parallel bike trail as well as very narrow bike lanes on each side. There are also very few traffic lights and crosswalks to aid in crossing the highway once you leave Stock Island.

–Biking from 15th St. in Marathon to Publix grocery store:

–Biking from US-1 Mile 0 to Mile 3, Key West, Fl (Publix)

Here are some pictures of bike racks in Key West:


zzwergel
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Perrysville Ave. at Cemetery Ln. Crossing Perrysville Ave. from inbound bus stop is a bit dicey as there is a pedestrian signal, but no marked crosswalks. Also, Crossing the southern exit ramp from 279 is forbidden with a sign. The northbound exit ramp does not have such signage. There is also a complete lack of any sidewalk and there is no shoulder adjacent to the northbound travel lane.

I encountered this yesterday after I alighted a returning O1 bus at that bus stop. on my way to Ross Garage to pick up my helmet and camera which I had left on a 91 bus earlier in the week. I mostly had to walk on the well-worn grass to the side of the road, but occasionally had to walk on the road itself between bursts of traffic. Judging on how worn the grassy area to the side of the road is, there probably should be a sidewalk there.


zzwergel
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Would the following be a good idea? The black limes indicate curb-cuts.


zzwergel
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Does anyone ever look at this? Should I keep posting or abandon this thread?


StuInMcCandless
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It’s not you. I’ve been so tied up at work, I go days at a time without seeing the board or being on a bike.

To address your question, it helps to document troublesome spots and explain the issues. Some are bad for biking, some are bad for pedestrians. Nothing will change without pointing out the problems. So even if nobody is responding, keep your camera running, and post away.


Eric
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No one of importance reads this thread. Ie, no elected officials or penndot decision makers. Thus while it is nice documenting these issues they need to be followed up with communications with people who actually can change things. (311 for city, penndot, county, etc)


fultonco
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“No one of importance reads this thread.”

Speak for yourself please.


StuInMcCandless
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Clarification: Few (zero) people who themselves have the authority to act on a request peruse this thread as a matter of routine. But this does provide a handy place to post links to photos, describe situations, and discuss with others. That can then be sent as links to the people with the authority to act.


Eric
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I agree with you stu that it is a handy place to describe issues, but without the second step of connecting with officials to push for change it is really just an exercise in futility.


StuInMcCandless
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I agree, to some extent. My thread on dangerous drain grates is coming up on 10 years, and a good many still aren’t fixed. I think a few that were, though, got attention directly or indirectly through that thread, so I can’t agree that commiserating on this thread is entirely a waste. What’s needed is to know how to follow up, and with whom.


zzwergel
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@stu, Would a traffic light like the one shown above be of any use in that area by any chance?


StuInMcCandless
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Adding signals by the Highland Park Bridge would accomplish little without additional changes. That spot might be a lost cause. I really don’t know what you can fix there in terms of being able to use the bridge. Access to the bridge, both ends, sucks, and the sidewalk is rarely cleaned, often blocked. I would focus more on speed control on connecting roads, ability to get to the bridge on foot or bike, and haranguing whomever to keep the sidewalk clean and clear.


zzwergel
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@stu,

Do you know of anyone in the Aspinwall/Sharpsburg area who can go with me to do some sweeping on the sidewalks leading up to and on the bridge? It is supposed to be rainy tomorrow and on Monday and Tuesday, its supposed to go up to 89°F.


StuInMcCandless
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I would not have been able to help, as I had out-of-town company. The best I can suggest is to put up flyers saying “Bridge cleanup project, meet at 9am Saturday at _____. Please bring tools and bags.” We did this one time on the West End Bridge. It took 5-6 of us most of a morning to sweep the upstream side.

I rode there by bike but brought no tools. Someone had a pickup truck, so could haul away trash. We tried not to dump too much in the river; most went into bags.

If you got this started, you would get help, if not immediately then eventually.


zzwergel
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@stu,

Why would installing traffic lights on the Highland Park Bridge not do any good? Also, are the areas in this video examples of urban sprawl?

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StuInMcCandless
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They would be seen as more annoyance than purposeful. The bridge itself is posted 45 mph, and as far as I’m concerned, not usable by bike (in the traffic lane).

Focus on what can be fixed: clear sidewalks, accessibility, ped/bike safety.


Eric
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HPB already has plans as part of the 28 widening at the hpb.


zzwergel
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@Ed, does the plan include a fence to keep litter off of the sidewalk?


StuInMcCandless
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Z, fences are not going to keep litter off the sidewalk.


chrishent
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HPB is bikeable in a group. I’ve done with Team Decaf and it wasn’t too bad. Going solo is a different story.


fultonco
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My attention was caught by the comments about the West End Bridge Sidewalk, that of the Highland Park Bridge, and the idea of putting up a chain link fence to keep litter off.  I’ve often had the same thought.

I rode over the West End Bridge recently, on the sidewalk, and noted a fair amount of glass.  Most of it seemed to come from recent fender benders where the small pieces of wreckage were apparently gathered up and just tossed over onto the sidewalk.

It seems to me that a chain link fence, while not keeping everything from the sidewalk, would prevent this sort of dumping and would curtail the occasional beer bottle toss onto the sidewalk by a passing motorist.  If there is a reason why a fence wouldn’t function in this way, please explain.


zzwergel
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I found this one in Edgewood!

You cannot cross Braddock Ave. from either side of this T-intersection by the GetGo.

No pedestrian crossing sign on both corners of the access road. Why is this? It is not inharently dangerous to cross here if they were to install pedestrian signals with a 4 second advance before the access road gets a green light.


zzwergel
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@stu,

Can you explain why a fence won’t help with garbage? What about a garbage can near the ends of the bridges?


StuInMcCandless
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Maybe it will. Dani’s experiment with the 40th St Bridge seems to be working pretty well.

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