BLACK and GOLD Special Edition Flock Party Ride – Feb 6

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Erica
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I might just wear a black top and hit my helmet with some yellow reflective tape. Now: where can I get some yellow reflective tape? :)


chefjohn
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I have built a black and gold SuperBike from a peugeot frame I found in the trash last week. It’s too big for me but I’m riding it on Sunday (and maybe more than that). Wait ’til you guys see it! Awesome!


stefb
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My single speed hs black and gold on it already.


Ahlir
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Nick: Can you post a route at some point?

This might make it easier for those of us with earlier commitments to join in.

(And, uh, Go Stillers!!)


Nick D
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Ahlir, I’ll work on it. You can also call the Flock phone number: 412-290-7181 for the rides current location.


Ahlir
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Thanks!

On a related issue, does anyone know if there’s a slogan for this year’s championship? You know, like “strive for five” or “one for the thumb”. (It appears that I missed the ones for the sixth. Were they that bad?)

“We’ll pass by seven on our way to heaven”?


Erica
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If they win a 7th ring, they’ll have to come up with a new pun for the t-shirts.


erok
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i’ve heard

Knockin’ on seven’s door

and

stairway to seven


sloaps
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Eight is great, another social!


Pseudacris
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I zip-tied a terrible towel to the left side of my milk crate today. It was a bit foggy for the ride in & I hoped letting my Pittsburgh Freak Flag Fly would help with visibility. Must’ve been cheese heads on Fifth Avenue today because I got buzzed closely a number of times between Morewood & Bellefield.


Erica
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I decided just to wear my new mancini’s shirt. It’s black with a mancini’s twist on it, which looks somewhat gold.


Nick D
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cburch
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Why would you route a beginner friendly ride back to Oakland on Forbes. The stretch from jumonville to McKee place sucks. Parkway traffic merging, shitty underpasses. Yuck.

I’ll be breaking off and taking fifth.


Nick D
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Colin, I think taking 30-50 people up a bus lane/partially blocked sidewalk is potentially more problematic than strategically taking them up Forbes.

By talking to many beginners on groups rides, we have learned that for beginners riding in a group, hills are much more intimidating than traffic.

I plan on taking the lane under the overpass, and having a rider leader stop where 367 merges onto Forbes and instruct packs of riders to ride to the right lane of Forbes as merging traffic allows.

Although it is not ideal, I think this will allow a much better experience for new riders than the other available options (like long climbs or routes unfriendly for a group).

I do appreciate your input. Though, I think you could express it in a much of constructive way.


quizbot
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I’d operate under the assumption that everyone on the road on Sunday will be drinking something well before the game starts, and try to avoid traffic.


cburch
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Also Forbes is a shittier climb than fifth. Slightly shorter but steeper with a couple weird choke points. Sorry you don’t think I’m constructive enough.


Nick D
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If there was a lane going up Fifth (or if it wasn’t a group ride), I would choose that over Forbes. The issue with Fifth is it’s a bus lane or a sidewalk that often pushed you into a bus lane.

On Sunday, if enough people think Fifth is a better idea than Forbes, the ride will go up Fifth. However, I don’t think going up Fifth is a smart idea for a group ride any day of the week.

I said your comments weren’t constructive because instead of offering an alternative you chose to say, “I’ll be breaking off and taking fifth.”


quizbot
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Take the jailtrail / detour on the way back from town. If a few folks have to walk it out of the hollow it’s still a better option outbound than either alternative.


cburch
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An alternative would be smallman to 32nd to liberty to millvale to center to craig and you are back at the carnegie. Everything else has a steep hill or bus lane. Well unless you take butler to the zoo and go the back way up baker to morningside. To add distance to either option just take slibby blvd to bakery square and either go back from there or hit beechwood to squirrel hill and take forbes to the golf course and go back to dilly by way of Phipps.

I have a special aversion to Forbes since I have been sideswiped once and run over once at that merge with 376. People are coming off that exit at full highway speed. It’s no joke.


boostuv
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S are lights required or not? Facebook pages says they are for night riding but we wont be out much when its dark so are they required for the whole ride? Only reason I ask is my headlight hasnt arrived yet leaving me with only a taillight and I’d really like to make it out to this.


ieverhart
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@ Boostuv – Sunset on Sunday in Pittsburgh is listed at 5:44 p.m., and civil twilight ends at 6:13 p.m. If the ride is three hours starting at 1 p.m., you can probably get home before it’s dark.

Lights are a good idea more generally, apart from this ride, if you’re going to be out on the streets at night. It’s also legally required to have a white front light after dark. My suggestion is that while you’re waiting on your shipment, get a cheap light to keep yourself legal and hang on to it for emergencies and for a backup.

5:44pm Sunset

6:13pm End of civil twilight


Nick D
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I was stuck between Liberty, and Forbes but sided with Forbes. Here is my reasoning: With Liberty being a much longer climb the group spreads out very fast and there can be as much as a 5-10 min delay in slower riders. In my experience, this long of a delay discourages the slower riders–no matter how much you tell them not to worry, they are intimidated by it.

Since part of Flock’s goal is to introduce people to riding, and since I know there will be at least a handful of riders there who have done little or no riding on the street before, intimidation is not a feeling I want to induce.

I completely understand your concerns about Forbes, but I think in a large, brightly colored group, most of them won’t be an issue.

I also considered the Jail Trail, but with a big enough group the intersections at 2nd Ave and the trail head and S. Neville and Fifth tend to be problems. On Neville, the is no room to re-group, and takes 2-3 light cycles to get a 40 person group through. Though depending on what the group looks like when we are leaving downtown, we might take that route instead.

I have learned a lot through trial and error about routing these types of group rides. There are a lot more factors to consider than routing a commute or a regular group ride, and these factors make planning very difficult. A different meeting point would make all of this a lot easier, and that is something I am working on. We are trying to find a business to start a partnership with, but it is a process that hasn’t been completed yet.

Boostuv, even though it is a day ride, it’s a general rule we try to keep–mostly to encourage everyone to own lights.

You will be fine Sunday though. I hope to see you there.


salty
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What’s wrong with Dippy? It seems like a pretty good start for a lot of reasons (familiar/central/visible location, plenty of space, etc). Although, I admit I don’t really like starting out heading onto Panther Hollow/BoA.

I’m with Colin about Forbes, I think it sucks – and it’s not exactly an easy climb either. But, I also agree no way that I’d take the group up 5th. Of all the alternatives I like the trail best. Maybe Liberty->Herron (ugh)->Melwood/Gold Way is another option?


Erica
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So my gears are delayed on shifting (I’m assuming due to the cold, they’re freezing up a lot), so I might be extra slow (not as bad as the last sunday ride though. Hopefully I won’t be walking quite as much this time)


boostuv
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Awesome! I know they’re legally required for riding at night and a good idea to have even in the day time, which is why I ordered one, the shipment just hasnt been delivered. I need to pick up a riding jacket this afternoon so maybe I’ll hit up REI and see what they’ve got.


stefb
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Yah lights are a good idea, especially if it is grey and overcast. Chances are, it will be overcast. This is Pittsburgh.

Ps – performance was having a sale recently. They have pretty decent clothes and lights.


Pseudacris
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@boostuv: there are many things on sale at Performance & REI right now: good time to shop for bike stuff.


edmonds59
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re: the Panther hollow route, I agree the S. Neville & Fifth intersection is a pain with a group, could be easily resolved by hanging a left on Henry and regrouping by PNC.

Having offered that, though, I’m not going to second-guess the route, I’ll roll with whatever. Should be fun.

re: Lights, blinky lights make things festive no matter what the time of day. And a spare never hurts.


Nick D
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Good idea, Bill. I think that’s the way we will go.


Pseudacris
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A big thanks to Nick for organizing the ride and accommodating the group of us taking the yoga for cyclists class who wanted to be on this ride (not to mention his accommodation of Football Frenzy!). I’ve never organized a group ride, and it seems like a daunting task to take all the possibilities into consideration. I’m glad he’s willing.


salty
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ok, i went up herron to remind myself what it was like. maybe a little steep for a flock ride but at least it’s short – i think it would be kinda cool to try sometime.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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So, when is the meet up/start up time?


Kayla
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Meeting at 1:00 at Dippy.


stefb
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yeah herron is a bit steep for beginners. i am not sure i have ever taken it up on a bike.


salty
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herron from liberty to melwood though – it’s not nearly as steep as melwood to bigelow and beyond.


Erica
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turns out I’ll be working in the morning. I’ll still make the ride, I just might cut out early and head home. It’s been a tiring week, to say the least.


boostuv
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Is Dippy the one at the CMU library diagonal from the Cathedral? I just went on a 5 mile ride around Oakland/Schenley and Im pumped for tomorrow. Also swung by Performance Bike and picked up a cheap headlight and taillight setup.


Kayla
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boostuv-Yep, that’s the one.


StuInMcCandless
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Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh, Oakland Branch. Not CMU. But yes, if you’ve found a 40-foot-long dinosaur, you’ve found the ride.


Kayla
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Oops. Didn’t read that very well I guess. I just read Carnegie, Cathedral, and Schenley and figured that’s what was meant.

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