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Pseudacris
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Another house….just jumped out of nowhere.


Mick
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Meanwhile, police say the lot has had some bad luck recently.

“Bad luck”? That phrase coming from the folks who fail to enforce the speed limit?

That’s a lot like blaming the weather for the predictable results of bad driving.


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wojty
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“police are investigating the cause of the crash”

Uh……


wojty
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Also, if causing damage to beer doesn’t get people’s attention in this region, I don’t know what will.


stefb
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Wojty- I just heard that story conclude with the same line: “police are investigating the cause of the crash.” I would have to say that it was caused by some moron who wasn’t paying attention and should probably have his or her license taken away for a while.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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@stefb: “police are investigating the cause of the crash.” That line is practically boilerplate for this type of story. But I’m most curious about your statement: “I would have to say that it was caused by…” Can you share the evidence your investigation turned up?

Half of my frustration with the scarcity of information provided by local PDs in these cases is it invites all kinds of speculation. I understand that right after the accident happens, a story has to get published, and the PD may not be in a position to make an accurate statement relative to what happened. I would love if there was some reliable means of media follow-up to explain what did happen (ie: the results of the investigation).

I’m no Cyril Wecht, but it seems to me there are (off the top of my head) a lot of possible causes for car v. beer distributor, car v. house, car v. bike, car v. pedestrian: stroke, heart attack, over-medicated, over-steer to avoid something in road, old-age… Not every accident is negligence.

This is not to say that plenty are not caused by texting, cell phone use, not paying attention, etc. But not ALL are.


salty
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Not like it matters, unless the driver was drunk there won’t be any consequences regardless.

Half of those excuses are negligence anyways.


B.S.
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Well let’s see…….Toyota camry…….my guess is a stuck accelerator. Even if he/she was texting, they can always through that excuse out there, one of perks of driving a Toyota!!


StuInMcCandless
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I want to get past the cause of the accident, and look instead at the cause of the cause of the accident.

* Distractedness? Will tighter laws make more of a difference than social peer pressure, like drunk driving has (after 40 years of tolerance, and 20 more years of effort) finally started to bring down drunk driving accidents.

* Unnecessary trips? Why was this person driving in the first place? If there is no reason to get in the car, there is no chance of being the next wreck.

* No usable public transit? Were they driving at all because there was no bus to ride, or a bus they did not know how to ride?

I’m sure there are others, but IMHO as much effort needs to focus on the upstream cause as in those last four seconds of travel.


stefb
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The car had to have had a mind of its own! A lot of times when you do hear the cause, it is because the driver hit the gas instead of the brake. I dont understand how there would be some cause other than the driver was just being a dumbass. Though I wonder, how does a stuck accelerator cause the car to go forward instead of backward if the car was placed in reverse? Are there any other causes that could be beyond the control of the driver? I don’t know all that much about car malfunctions, but it would be amazing if all of those car vs building crashes were caused by mechanical malfunction.


quizbot
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Not drunk, just loaded up on legal hardcore prescription medication.


Pseudacris
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Unmanaged diabetes can cause blackouts, too.


mr marvelous
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Sudden drop in blood pressure and seizures can also cause a blackout.


stefb
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The news can usually report on that right away and they do, but good point.


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salty
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Well, not hitting a building but I personally witnessed a car sideswipe a parked car on Shady Ave. tonight, going up the hill from 5th.

The jackass had just passed me, maybe he (or she, I dunno) was a few hundred feet up the road – just far enough that I couldn’t read the plate. They knew what they did because they put on the brakes and almost stopped, then took off. I was waving my arms in the air. I stopped but there didn’t seem to be anyone home at the two closest houses. I called 911 but I didn’t have much of a description to give them, all I knew was it was a black or dark-colored car.

What a complete piece of shit. At least they didn’t hit me.


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erok
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Mick
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@ erok “Breaking” news! HAHAHAHA!


Marko82
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But the GPS thingy said “turn right!”

There was a bumper and lots of glass at the end of Saline Street today where you meet up with the gravel trail coming down from the tracks (end of jail trail). Maybe the drivers are related?


dmtroyer
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hmm… seems the driver is at large. wonder if my building will go on lock down.


reddan
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The driver was likely blinded by sunlight reflecting off the glass doors.


erok
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heard he ran into 200 ross st, where city planning and the ura are housed


erok
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now with photo:


Mick
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@erok heard he ran into 200 ross st, where city planning and the ura are housed

No doubt to make a timely complaint about the unfortunate placement of buildings downtown.


dmtroyer
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I’m sure the driver was merely testin ‘aht the sante fe’s urban offroading capabilities.


StuInMcCandless
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Oh, so that’s what the stupid helicopter is all about. I can half see the building, but not the crash scene, from my balcony at Grant & Forbes. Explains why the helicopter is RIGHT overhead.


ejwme
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In a This American Life episode (here: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/248/transcript ) Act One: If It Drives, Go Live, there’s a story about an extremely traffic law abiding, slow speed chase that goes on for ~4 hours.

“There are people who study pursuits. Yes, there are actual people who do this. And they say that trying to figure out the reasons behind why people run, the cause behind the effect, is the wrong approach. What these experts have discovered is that there aren’t any reasons behind why people run. There’s just a type of person runs. They don’t stop to weigh the consequences or to factor in all variables. They just run. They run because it doesn’t occur to them not to.”

When I first heard that, it blew my mind. Then it occurred to me that I could be one of those people. I’ve been stopped before, and always just stopped, but maybe under the right circumstances, I’d be an inexplicable runner.

Humans are so strange.


Steven
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heard he ran into 200 ross st

So hitting one building a day wasn’t enough?

Another PNC building was hit exactly two months ago. Lesson for PNC: Add more drive-through banking, or your customers will do it for you.

Ejwme, that’s an interesting quote. It makes me think about the Jordan Miles case (though that was on foot of course). Thanks for sharing it.


Mick
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@ejwme There’s just a type of person runs. They don’t stop to weigh the consequences or to factor in all variables. They just run.

“Poor impulse control” they call it. It’s part of a lot of different kinds of crime.

Probably self-reinforcing – the guy that “forgot” to go to that hearing about his case, is a bit more likely to flee an accident.

But we should remember, in Pennsylvania, the penalties for leaving an accident are mild compared with the penalties for drunk driving. Sometimes it *IS* a decision.

“I heard some say better run away. Others say better stand still.”


erok
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ahh whoops bad word choice. i meant after the crash, he got out of the car and actually ran into 200 ross to hide


Pierce
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Marko, I noticed that debris on Saline too, I wonder what happened. Looks like a car just randomly rammed into the gravel ramp to the train tracks


stefb
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thanks for the heads up. i ride through there on my commute, but often i am too focused on traffic to see glass until i am nearly on top of it.


ejwme
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to “hide”? What do you say to the people in that building: “Uh, I need to use your bathroom to clean up this blood and broken glass I got from… falling on the sidewalk, yeah.” Let alone the security cameras.

Mick, I think “poor impulse control” might be a little different. I’m sure it plays into it, and it’s a horrible habit, but I could see it being different.

I am a complete This American Life junky. Chances are, I can relate almost any experience to a This American Life story. That and Radio Lab. My husband thought I was recovering from my chronic ludditism when I asked for an mp3 player for xmas, but was dismayed when I promptly filled it with TAL and Radio Lab podcasts. I am a dork, yes I am.


quizbot
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@mick: I caught that New Speedway Boogie reference (~);}


Mick
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I always have problems with This American Life.

Like the story ejwme referred to. This American Life says, “Dr. Richard Kimball ran because he was born to run.”

Typical.

I sez, “Crack cocaine.”


Kordite
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“What these experts have discovered is that there aren’t any reasons behind why people run.”

False. The correct sentence should read: “Scientists have yet to discover the reasons why people run.” Just because they don’t yet know the answer doesn’t mean there is no answer.


ejwme
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They did follow it up with the reason that they run because it does not occur to them to NOT run.

Careful assigning scientific method to human behavior. Seems to always be a 2D map of a 3D world. All of our knowledge is tainted by what we do not yet understand.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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“Careful assigning scientific method to human behavior. Seems to always be a 2D map of a 3D world. All of our knowledge is tainted by what we do not yet understand.”

Whoa. I need a few weeks to let that one settle in.

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