Collision Downtown? – Wood at Blvd of the Allies

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Erica
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I was going past today when I saw three bikes, one in the middle of the intersection, one off to the side, and one with (apparently) the owner. There were cops, a few cars, and a lot of blood on the road. Does anyone know what happened/if the cyclists are okay?


Erica
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Sorry, went to edit this and it posted twice. Weird.


Swalfoort
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Latest update says cyclist is in serious but stable condition at UPMC Mercy.

Cyclist was hit by a grey Audi that was turning left off Blvd. of the Allies, from what I read.

No ID on cyclist yet, but bike had pretty distinctive yellow tape on handlebars.

http://www.kdka.com for photo


Erica
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I really hope the guy’s okay. I was a bit shaken up from seeing the scene, mainly because this is my area – a lot of the time, I can feel better about it by telling myself that that isn’t where I ride, but this is. it’s that feeling of helplessness, when I start to think, “maybe lights, stopping at reds/stop signs, and hand signals aren’t enough – this could happen to me.”


Lyle
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I hope somebody gets the videotapes from Point Park before they get overwritten or lost. Or anywhere else that has security cameras in the area.


dwillen
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Photo from the PG:

(video camera top right and top left in the photo)

Photo from KDKA:

Story from WPXI.

I really hope this person is okay. I do not recognize the bar tape, but it is very distinctive.

From the angle the car is parked in the first photo, it looks like a left hook situation.


spakbros
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I’ve seen that bike but I can’t place the owners face in my mind


OHgrrl
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i’ve seen that bike around downtown before. i wanna say it’s someone who makes deliveries for Jimmy John’s…but i’m not positive.

looking at that wheel gives me chills..


StuInMcCandless
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Two threads on this story already. I wish I could tell from the photos which direction the bike was going.


Erica
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I do wish that the blood hadn’t been cleaned up before that picture was taken – yes, the sight of it sickened me, but people should be sickened when this happens.


Morningsider
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WTAE just reported with a witness saying the car turned “when it wasn’t supposed to.” Then the tape got cut off and the reporter was quick to say they had no idea yet how it happened or who was at fault. Weird, It’s like someone had a gun to her head behind the camera.


Erica
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so far, it seems like the cyclist was not at fault, and if that’s the case, I hope some serious charges come upon the driver.


Noah Mustion
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^^ Amazing. And infuriating

EDIT: Directed at Morningsider’s post


Justin
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I can’t place the bike, but it does look very familiar.

This is a bad intersection. I ride through there on my way home and people are very anxious about making “pgh lefts” there. The problem is, it won’t just be one person, but three-four cars trying to make the turn when the light changes.

I’ve always thought that there should be a turn arrow there to prevent this very situation.

Hope the cyclist is ok.


helen s
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I agree about people rushing the Pbgh left there- I like to check to see if I have a car behind me to help stop them from doing so. If not, I am on my brakes.

As far as serious charges, it would be incredibly ironic if any were filed considering a recent death to a cyclist and that killer driver out on the loose.

I must say I did hesitate to use the word “killer” but they did kill someone.


Noah Mustion
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I work on the North Side & wish they’d finish that bullshit at the Point so I can get to the Jail Trail without encountering any downtown traffic. Downtown is an absolute mess traffic-wise


Justin
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Just found out that this is a friend of mine. Don’t know the details yet but he is being immobilized at the hospital with spinal fractures and a fractured shoulder blade.

Don’t know if this is 100% accurate, but I will post updates as soon as I hear more.

Does anyone know if there is a good way to see if point park has footage of this or who to contact? I’d like to do something if i can while he is in the hospital.


mattre
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I’ve got the same tape on my handlebars and I’m regularly riding around town…could be my bike (black and gray Specialized) that people are thinking of. In any case, I really hope the cyclist isn’t hurt too badly. Does anyone have more information than what’s been reported?

One thing about both of those articles jumped out at me: there is nothing in either of them that is slanted against the cyclist. Compared to the not-too-distant past, that’s a nice change. Maybe the noise the Pgh cycling community has made over the recent accidents is starting to make a difference?


Nick D
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I hope there are charges, but since I know of three people who carelessly killed cyclists with very little consequence, I highly doubt there will be charges. With that said, I would love to be proved wrong.


bikeygirl
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This just happened down the street from my work!!! When someone mentioned something in the office about the accident, the first thing I said “I hope is not someone I know” :(

I was almost hit by an armored car at Forbes & Wood street on my way to work this morning and was glad I avoided the car (did give a ‘WTF’ look and hand-motion to the driver after I saved his left turn).

Hope this person is fine :(


Erica
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Justin – sorry to hear that, I hope he is okay.


Lyle
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what is the combined speed required to shatter a windshield? And to bend the fork like that? I’m thinking it was close to 30mph.

The car might have been moved after the impact. It would not be unusual for the driver to back up immediately. So I can’t read too much into this photo, except that it appears that the damage to the car was to the right front corner, and that the impact was on the cyclist’s left (or he was trying to swerve to the right and impacted with his wheel turned). That is consistent with a left hook. Also with a rideout from the sidewalk into the crosswalk. Though I doubt that was what happened, video footage should show if it was or not. My guess is that this was not a pittsburgh-left, but that the cyclist was following a truck through the intersection and the motorist jumped on the left turn without seeing that it was clear. Just a guess.

@dwillen, yes, those are the cameras I was speaking of. I am wondering if there’s one on the parking lot too.

@justin re getting the footage: does your friend have local kin?


Justin
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@lyle yeah, you could be right about how it happened. Hard to say from the photos.

I’m trying to get in touch with some other friends at the hospital to find out more details. Would a family member be the person to call to contact point park about the video?

@bikePGH any suggestions?


Swalfoort
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@justin – So sorry about what happened to your friend. Hope he’s ok. Keep us posted, please?

There was a thread not too long ago about Point Park’s intention to remove bikes that did not belong to PPU students. It had the phone number for campus security/safety/police/something. I’ll try to find it, and edit this post with the updated information.

Here’s the info:

Please contact the University’s Public Safety Department at (412) 392-3960.” Additional notices attached to the rack itself explain that all bicycles not registered and displaying a Point Park University’s bicycle decal by Aug. 15, 2010 will be removed from the bike rack and housed in the Public Safety Department.


Nick D
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erok
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@bikePGH any suggestions?

get a lawyer for him immediately.

a lawyer is probably the best person to get footage, but finding out if a camera even exists could be useful. and if said camera does exist, then point park u (or whomever) needs to know that they shouldn’t erase it or write over it. if there is a case, there’s a chance that the police could get the footage too.

also, if you’re trying to help him, it might be useful to help him find some witnesses, or at least make sure that the police have some (although i wouldn’t depend on that). finding witnesses may involve going into the businesses around there and asking around, or putting flyers up at the intersection. there needs to be a statement from them as soon as possible as witnesses can be hard to find the longer one waits (this is what happened in my case).


Swalfoort
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@nick – How did you find that thread so quickly. I tried using the search feature on the bulletin board, but that almost never works for me. I have much better luck going through google. But, I am always convinced that I remember enough of the thread/post that I think the BP search feature will work, so I try that first. Stupid me. From now on, I go to google first.


Nick D
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@swalfoort – I’m pretty sure the board’s search function only work is the original thread is tags with what you are searching for. I found it quickly because I knew I posted it on my Facebook page–I just went to FB and looked at my recently posted links.


Swalfoort
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Thanks for that update, Nick.

Justin, the PG reports that the witness they interviewed was a Point Park University student by the name of Alex Page.

Alex Page, the 19-year-old Point Park student, said the man hit was conscious and speaking when he saw him. He asked someone else to turn him over and looked like he was in pain, though, said Mr. Page.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10271/1090976-100.stm#ixzz10s0TKeHW


Mick
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@lyle what is the combined speed required to shatter a windshield?

Not very high – windshields are designed to break before skulls crack. I’m guessing maybe 10 mph.

It would take an expert to estimate speeds from the shatter pattern of the windshield.


Marko82
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FWIW re witnesses,there is a second bicycle in the PG photo on the right side of the frame. You might find this person commuting through here at the same time of day. Maybe they saw something.


Erica
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I remember seeing two bicycles for sure, the damaged one and the one with the rider lounging on it. I thought I saw a third one, but I may have simply glimpsed it and mistook a motorcycle for a bike.


josh
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Ugh, saw this on the news. I’m glad the guy is alive and stable. Here’s hoping he makes a full recovery.

I wish I didn’t hear about this one because I’m on Blvd of the Allies every morning.

Speculative, but:

From the news report, the car was turning left from BOA and the bike was on Wood. From the photos, the car is pointing westbound turning southbound, with the far left side of the windshield smashed. The cyclist was likely headed north on wood. The bike is in the middle of the intersection so it’s hard to imagine he was riding through the crosswalk.

If the above is right then someone ran the red (or both if one was jumping the green while the other was trying to beat the red). I hope the police investigate this. If the driver was at fault as per Morningsider’s post there has to be some form of penalty for running a red and seriously injuring someone, no?


Swalfoort
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Tonight’s news referred to the victim as a “local pizza delivery guy….”


J Z
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Justin
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@swalfoort he works pt at jimmy johns

Just got word that he has two spinal fractures and a broken scapula and a lot of cuts and abrasions. He does have feeling in his appendages, so, thats good news. A friend who visited him in the hospital tonight said he was in good spirits, but expectedly groggy.

No new details on the accident itself though.

@ka_jun thx for the pix post, at least there were a lot of peds/bike cops/etc on scene.

Please PM me if you have any advice, legal contacts, tips, etc. Thanks!


cburch
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justin, call marc reisman. his number is in the ads on the left column on the homepage.


quizbot
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@justin – good luck to your friend. Ugh on the pics… head to the top of a windshield post. Looks like a lot of blood … I’m just wondering where it came from … not exactly cuts & abrasions amounts there. Do you know whether or not he was wearing a helmet?


ieverhart
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@ Nick D. – There were no criminal charges brought in the three cases. One happened outside Allegheny County, with a completely different district attorney, so it’s really only two cases here that would form a pattern.

If, in fact, the car did not have the right of way, the victim here could file civil charges independent of whatever the DA decides to do on the criminal side.


Lyle
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@swalfoort, according to the PG, Page did not witness the crash itself but arrived immediately after.

@justin, the person who contacts the PPU security office should be someone with “standing” – either the victim, kin, or someone explicitly chosen by the victim or kin.

@cuse: “headed north on wood”. No way, the physics are all wrong (plus northbound is a bus lane). Bike fork is bent to the right, car has impacts at right of center grill, left A-pillar, and cyclist touches ground to the left of the driver’s window. Everything moves after an impact, the lighter things move farther, but where the bike ends up is not the point of impact (unless the speeds involved are very slow).

I don’t like to speculate on this stuff at moments like this as it’s morbid, but I’d hate to see the injured person blamed for something just because he’s not around to speak for himself — which is what usually happens at bike accident scenes.

I see that one of the photos appears to include the driver and her companion.

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