Cyclist attacked on East Liberty Blvd–Memorial Day weekend

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cburch
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my thinking is that the outreach isnt for the assholes attacking people. thats what the cops and jail are for. the outreach is for the bored/angry/frustrated/etc kids in the neighborhood who are decent kids but the assholes can easily influence if there isnt a better option.


cburch
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edmonds59
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“Put them in a pack though, even worse with maybe a little bit of alcohol… on the later side of night the tone definitely changes.”

That’s applicable anywhere, I know it is out here in Robinson with the spoiled little white shits who hang out here. The thing(s) that keeps these little rats out here from crossing the line is:

a. There is usually someone at home who will hang them out to dry if they do something really idiotic.

b. They actually do have some vague notion of a future life that they don’t want to screw up.

How effective are those as inhibiting factors for the demographic group in the city that we’re talking about?


edmonds59
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Oh, I forgot, sometimes they (Robinson) just go out and kill themselves or someone else with a car. That tends to quiet things down for a little while.


Lyle
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I think your (b) is a big one. But it’s not just a sense of having future opportunities, it’s also a matter of having been trained to take a longer view. I’ve seen some interesting reports of teaching kids to plan ahead by getting them involved in chess.


Tabby
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+1 on planning ahead. Probably the biggest factor in the poverty mentality is the lack of planning. That is also sort of wrapped up with the idea that things happen to them, as opposed to making deliberate choices.


HiddenVariable
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While you’re at it, check out the origin of the term redneck, it’s not what you think. Blair Mountain, WV. I’d actually be proud to be a redneck.

incidentally, this is either a false etymology, or an independent one. the term redneck had already existed in popular usage for decades before the blair mountain incident, and referred to field workers whose necks had been colored red from the sun.


mark
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from the source:

redneck:

3. orig. N. Amer. (usu. derogatory). Originally: a poorly educated white person working as an agricultural labourer or from a rural area in the southern United States, typically considered as holding bigoted or reactionary attitudes. Now also more generally: any unsophisticated or poorly educated person, esp. one holding bigoted or reactionary attitudes.

Quot. 1830 may represent a more specialized use.

1830 A. ROYALL Southern Tour I. 148 This may be ascribed to the Red Necks, a name bestowed upon the Presbyterians in Fayetteville. 1891 in Amer. Speech 76 435 Primary on the 25th. And the ‘rednecks’ will be there… And the ‘hayseeds’,..they’ll be there, too. 1904 Dial. Notes 2 420 Redneck, an uncouth countryman. ‘The hill-billies came from the hills, and the rednecks from the swamps.’ 1913 J. DAVIS Life & Speeches iii. 42 If you red-necks or hill billies ever come to Little Rock be sure and come to see mecome to my house. 1936 W. FAULKNER Absalom, Absalom! 122 Rich and poor, aristocrat and redneck. 1959 Times Lit. Suppl. 28 Aug. 491/4 The ugly faces and..the uglier actions of a handful of red-necks, crackers, tar-heels and other poor white trash here and there in the South. 1969 Observer 7 Dec. 25/3 They [sc. communes] all shared two experiences: the search for new values, and attention from local rednecks and the police. 1977 D. JAMES Spy at Evening x. 71 Middle-class rednecks like you..get all worked up about it. 1991 J. WATERS Jiving at Crossroads xvi. 157 The media line was that his was the politics of the stroke, the fix, the parish pump, of graft, crookery and whatever you’re having yourself; he was the archetypal rural redneck, corrupted by power. 2005 New Yorker 3 Jan. 12/3 Her stories about ass-kicking and rebel-yelling may not prove she’s the redneck she claims she is.


justinc
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I stopped taking pain meds today!

Also woke up this morning and sat up with out assistance or much pain! Even worked / went out last night. Though took it easy.


dcm229
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I just got wind of this thread, but I had already heard about the rash of assaults through a few different sources over the past few months. In fact, a couple months ago I was driving past Trader Joe’s (headed towards Friendship) with some friends and saw a pack of 7 or 8 teenage girls beating the crap out of someone on the sidewalk directly next to Trader Joe’s. It wasn’t quite dusk, but it wasn’t exactly broad daylight either because it was overcast and rainy. We called 911, and doubled-back into the Giant Eagle parking lot to try and wait for the police and see where the girls were headed. We never did see the victim unfortunately, but we did see the girls head towards the busway/Ellsworth. By the time the officers showed up (about 3 or 4 patrol cars/vans all at once), the girls were gone. We told the cops what we saw, and they took off looking for them. I don’t know what ever came of this, but it looked and sounded so much like the incidents I had previously heard about. And it sounds similar to the more recent incidents as well.

I’m not sure what age/gender Justin’s assailants were, and I’m not a detective, so who knows whether or not all these incidents are originating from the same group of people. But based on what I’ve heard from others, the incident I witnessed was not the only one that involved teenage girls, and it seems that cyclists are not the only ones being victimized.

Unfortunately I will probably not be able to make the meeting this Tuesday, even though I would love to go and learn more about what’s going on share what I witnessed. I hope to keep tabs on things from here on out, but if anyone would like more information about the incident I witnessed (in case it is helpful at the meeting or otherwise), feel free to contact me. I ride up and down Negley frequently and while I don’t hit ELB very much, these assaults are obviously a big concern to me.

Dave


Nick D
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Good to hear, Justin!


saltm513
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i heard tonight that there have been 15-20 violent attacks involving cyclists in EL.

I’ll be there Tuesday.

Justin, so good to hear. But the great question at hand is how fairs the ice cream supply? :)


unixd0rk
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all i know is that it seems like the police aren’t doing their jobs very effectively in my surrounding neighborhoods.

not really bike related; but i was at the sunoco the other morning at 8:30AM topping off a u-haul i had rented before taking it down negley run and saw two dudes stare directly at me and “make a deal”. i see drug deals go down right on the street at euclid and ELB all day and night. you’d think the cops would be able to do some undercover work, but hey maybe it’s the undercover cops dealing the drugs and knocking over cyclists in ‘s’lib… (that was 98% a joke)

one simple thing that cops could do is be more visible and present in these areas… and i don’t mean “fly through these areas at about 80mph in packs of 5-10 cruisers on stanton ave as a shortcut/expressway through the east end.”


cburch
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call 911. you dont have to tell them where you live or have the cops come talk to you. you can just report seeing a crime. also if you see the same people doing this in the same place at the same time all the time, call 311 and report all the info that you have. they will forward to the police as well as give you the 311 ticket number so you can follow up later if they dont fix it.

in short, if you see something REPORT IT. otherwise it didn’t happen.


justinc
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Ice cream supply is getting low!

Although my mother emailed deanna and went way overboard on baked goods! So now I’m up to my ears in simple sugars!!


unixd0rk
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yes, perhaps i should have reported it, but 8:30am is a a rough time for me to be awake especially after a day of moving heavy things. i actually don’t have that big of a problem with selling or using drugs being a so-called “crime”. what i was getting at, is that seeing this sort of thing out in the open in front of dozens of other people means that these dudes “know” they aren’t getting caught doing that where they are doing it.

the law of averages would dictate that if i’m seeing these things, so is everybody else, and some of those people are reporting stuff like this.

personally, i will only ever report to police what i would call “real” crimes which have a victim or property loss/destruction. i feel that their time is better put to use on those types of crimes.


Noah Mustion
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dude. drug dealing is totally a “real” crime, in that it is the type of activity that attracts all kinds of other “real” crimes.


cburch
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as long as no one bothers to report it (out of fear, apathy,thinking someone else will) they WONT get caught. so if YOU see it YOU should report it. you can call the next day, later that day, etc etc. if its always the same people in the same spot and you let the cops know they WILL send plain clothes detectives to do a buy and bust the dealers.

while you may be cool with people smoking weed or selling it, i most certainly am NOT cool with the turf wars and shootings and other violence that comes with it. and if they are selling anything harder/more expensive than weed i am definitely not cool with all the “petty” crime that occurs to support people’s habits. not to mention the self-destructive attitudes that its okay to get yours by poisoning your own community that drug sales represents. it might not affect you, but it is affecting someone’s life, in a bad bad way.


unixd0rk
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i’m definitely not trying to get into a philosophical argument about whether the government needs to tell people what to put into their bodies. all i’m saying is that focusing police on those sorts of crimes takes away from enforcement and investigation of all other crimes that actually have victims who were not in the “drug game”. the fact that drugs are illegal allows some of the police (and corrections officers) to make money ignoring it when needed, and selling it when they feel like it. therefore, i’m not contributing to that waste of my tax money.

i am certainly not a believer that the use of certain drugs lead to certain behaviors automatically, like violence. i am a believer that some people are horrible humans and poorly equipped to deal with reality and some of them happen to screw up a lot. this has nothing to do with drugs.


unixd0rk
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my main argument here is that if the cops were doing their damn jobs in an effective manner, there would be a FEAR of getting caught and a desire to be more clandestine.

if it obvious that the expectation of getting caught is NIL, especially within about 200 feet of a public school, there is something to be said about a “police presence”, or complete lack of one.

i’m not trying to start a frickin’ community watch, just expecting that there should be a cop around seeing these things more often than i (or you) do, but i don’t see that in my community. neither do the crack dealers.


brian j
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i’m not trying to start a frickin’ community watch, just expecting that there should be a cop around seeing these things more often than i (or you) do, but i don’t see that in my community. neither do the crack dealers.

But why wouldn’t you want to start a community watch? As far as I’m concerned, if neighbors aren’t looking out for each other’s safety, what’s the point of living in an area with neighbors? I’m not suggesting that we all become vigilantes, but the police cannot be everywhere all the time. Public safety is very much contingent upon people in the community being the eyes and ears for the police force.

That said, yes, sometimes police presence is a bit lacking, but again, with enough reports from people on the street, they have to increase their presence in a particular area.


StuInMcCandless
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The squeaky wheel gets the grease. It’s not drug deals that plague my area, but stupid drivers doing stupid things like passing stopped school buses and blowing through red-two-full-seconds lights. Tell the cops about it and they’ll patrol it.


cburch
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as far as drugs not being real crime, hey i’m all for legalization/decriminalization, but for now drugs are a)controlled by criminal organizations that violently defend there sales area against other criminal organizations and b) lead to all sorts of burglary/petty theft/robbery crimes in order to get the money for the drugs. if you want to inject yourself with battery acid, go for it. if you want to mug me to steal my bike or break into my car to get money for more battery acid, we have a problem. unfortunately this is quite often what drugs lead to. not to mention all the other destruction they cause.

saying “that’s the police’s job” is a cop out (see what i did there?) to avoid the responsibility we ALL have to report and stand up to this kind of thing. Its OUR job to take an active role in OUR community, not to sit there and wait for someone else to fix it for you.


reddan
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Its OUR job to take an active role in OUR community, not to sit there and wait for someone else to fix it for you.

Yep. That’s kinda what ‘community’ means. Otherwise, you just have ‘inhabitants’.


scihon
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New to the board, but I’ll definitely be at the meeting tonight. Live on the border of Morningside/ELB/Highland Park and have had plenty of vandalism happen to me in the 2 years I’ve lived here.

One of the issues I’ve seen, is the lack/responsibility of parents. Who lets their kids out at 11pm to wander the steets…

I have taken mesures to secure around my property after some expensive incidents happened with my cars (again, nothing stolen. Just for amusement.)

Organizing a neighborhood watch has been on my agenda for a few months, and I think reporting what we see – along with developing a call tree/email blast to let residents know – can start slowling violence and vandalism in the area.

There is also a city curfew for those under 18 (starts at 11pm weekdays, midnight weekends). If this could be enforced, it may help to alleviate more issues.

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/dailynewsmckeesport/s_684472.html

I’d be interested in seeing if we can partner with a pair of officer’s for the neighborhood watch, so we can build a relationship with them and track/monitor certain areas.


brian j
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To kinda bring this thread back on track, a 16 year old girl has been charged in the murder that occurred at Rippey and North Negley last week. The shooter is apparently still at large.


cburch
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at the ctg meeting last week we found out that the curfew center has only had 18 kids in it since it opened. so theres is a LOT of room for improvement wen it comes to curfew enforcement.


quizbot
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I’m wondering if the girl that was arrested is the “ringleader” behind some of the kids behavior around Rippey St. that the officer mentioned at CTG last week.


bikeygirl
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@bjanaszek – yes.. I saw the PG news too.

Does this give some comfort that the attack on the cyclist was unrelated to the homicide? I would think so….(I mean, in the least bit). While something has to be done or improve to have more safety on the ELB and neighboring ares, at least we know that it is still ‘random’ and not actually premeditated. Although one could be at the wrong place at the wrong time too.


JZ
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To be honest, random violence worries me more.


unixd0rk
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when’s the last time you saw a bike cop or a beat cop anywhere near ELB, or in this city, for that matter?

is it because these two methods have been proven historically effective?


BradQ
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I see beat cops all the time… hanging out at the Sunoco on Liberty Ave. If I’m ever in trouble in my neighborhood that is absolutely the first place I’ll go, I swear there are more cops hanging out there than at the station.


unixd0rk
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exactly brad… and remember that whole two weeks last summer of actually seeing bike cops in the bike lanes?


unixd0rk
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(not on ELB lanes, of course, on the liberty sharrows)


cburch
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so because they aren’t doing their job as well as they should be, you have no responsibility to say or do anything? come to the public safety meeting tonight and tell them you want to see beat cops and bike cops in our neighborhood. tell them what you saw and that you see it all the time. make noise, be heard, force them to do their job the way it should be done.


Lyle
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Well. It just (almost) happened to me. I stayed late after the meeting because I needed to make a phone call, but decided I should get off the street after erok and ian left. So I headed home down ELB. I generally avoided stopping, just slowed down so I would catch the greens, and figured I was out of the woods around broad st. But I caught a red at hamilton, and as I was waiting, I saw a bunch of teens wandering up katty-corner. I thought for a second, decided better safe than sorry, and ran the red making the left before they would reach it. Just as I did, one shouted “hey, bike!!”, and they came charging after me. They didn’t catch me. I called 911.


Noah Mustion
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FFS… what happened when you called 911?

Anyway, quite glad you didn’t get hurt. You should relate that story to the old-timer who was complaining about those pesky stop sign- and red light-running cyclists…


Lyle
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They said they’d send out a cruiser. Asked for descriptions which I couldn’t give. Asked if I wanted to talk to the officer on the scene. I said I wasn’t going back there. Though if there was an unmarked car there, I would. Undoubtedly it’s the same bunch of kids but I don’t know how you prove it.


stefb
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helmet cam! from now on, i am actually keeping my phone in my pocket and i will have the camera app ready and open to record video in the event that someone harasses me or tries to harm me in any way. hopefully i won’t ever be in a situation where i’m being beaten and can’t get to the phone. this applies to any place i ride


Tabby
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omg Lyle, glad you got yourself out of there quickly. I used to commute that route just 2 years ago and never had an issue. I wonder what gave these kids the stupid idea that cyclists are prey. Gah!

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