Cyclist killed on Harts Run Rd.

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edmonds59
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A thought – get something started at “the Oval”, for all victims?


cburch
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i’d rather see something in front of bike pgh, right on doughboy square where there is a lot of non-cyclist traffic to see it.


dbacklover
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+1 on Cburch idea.


HoffmannJ
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I agree with cburch – if there is to be a general memorial for all victims, it should be some place visible to all.

Why just have a place for cyclists to remember victims when it could also serve as a reminder to the general public as well?


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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+1 cburch – gets the message out, otherwise it’s a little bit of preaching to the choir, right?


edmonds59
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I actually was thinking it would be something visible from Washington Blvd – given the amount of traffic that passes that daily vs. traffic on, say, Butler. It could be something as simple as a pile of 100 white ghost bikes, some kind of base, and a plaque. I think I’ve seen that somewhere.

Maybe even have a design competition.


myddrin
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If I had my druthers, it would be on Grandview and big enough to be visible from downtown and the parkway.

*SIGH* A boy can dream….


cburch
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only problem with a bike memorial like that at the oval is that its still not clear to average people what it means. most people have no idea what a ghost bike is.


marv
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If the Parker family did not want the case pursued then the DA could just easily say so and the issue settled.

The problem here is not necessarily the lack of charges, but rather a lack of explanation. There has been no timetable announced for a decision, there has been no public announcement of why charges are not be filed.

I would also say that if there is a question as to whether the driver was careless enough to rise to a criminal act, the DA should not be determining that, but rather a grand jury. The DA should present the evidence. This would actually take the DA off the hook. Their stonewalling of this whole case is very troublesome.

I’m with Nick on this one. I think this has more to do with who than what.


Nick D
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Last night, John brought up the idea of another ride of silence to the DA’s office. I think that may be an effective way to say, “we didn’t forget”.


Al
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To my knowledge no one in the family has requested that the DA drop charges. We await his decision just as all of you are doing.


Lyle
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My personal opinion is that there is probably no favoritism going on. Which is actually worse, IMHO. I read news reports of automotive homicides from all over the country, and they are chillingly similar. Motorist says “I didn’t see him”, “He came out of nowhere”, “he suddenly swerved in front of me, there was nothing I could do”, and that’s the end of it. This just fits that national pattern.

District Attorney is an elected office, and it’s an established stepping-stone to the governorship for ambitious politicos. There’s no percentage in antagonizing the power base — in this case, people who drive inattentively.

Knowing that, the course of action should be clear.


cburch
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/ this


Mick
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The ride of silence to the DA’s office strikes me as a good idea.


StuInMcCandless
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If we do this ride, can we do it early on a weekday? Don was killed at about 7:15 a.m. If we can assemble another quarter-mile line of cyclists like we did in May, but at rush hour on a weekday morning, THAT would certainly get some attention. Especially if we just rode on, for example, Allegheny River Boulevard from the Hulton Bridge or thereabouts, then on to Butler and Penn and on into Downtown? For sure, every traffic report on every radio station will mention “a quarter-mile line of bicyclists”, and chances are pretty good that even if we don’t give any media a heads-up, some reporter will seek us out to find out what we’re about.

With that kind of a region-wide heads-up, our message will then have the proper framing for the DA to give us SOME kind of answer.


ejwme
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I like Stu’s idea, but it will only work if we have a quarter mile of cyclists (or other impressive numbers). If everybody has to work themselves, and only 15 people show up, it will be brushed aside again.

An evening rush ride might be just as effective and more easily attended… I’ve gotten a higher percentage of rude comments in evenings (5PMish) than mornings… then again, my mornings are 5AMish, before the unwashed masses are awake.

I’ll take whatever morning/afternoon off, I’m in either way, I just need to know when.


Tabby
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I will skip work to do this. Luckily that’s pretty easy for me, I don’t know how large of a group we could get on a weekday morning.


cburch
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i vote morning. we would be going the wrong way to really screw with traffic and get the coverage we want in the evening.

if it was an evening ride i would still suggest the route stu mentioned as it would give a lot of jumping on points for people, and that we end at the county courthouse and do a ghost bike lockup right in front. that ought to turn a few heads.


StuInMcCandless
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I’m also toying with temporarily wrapping my bike all in white for the ride. Maybe just gauze or something. What does anyone else think?

I see this as serving both to memorialize Don, but also drive home a message to the steering wheeled masses that it isn’t just a bunch of bicyclists out for a morning cruise. Plus the black-or-red armbands, as before.


HoffmannJ
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I’d be happy to join for either the morning or the evening, provided that I’m in town when this happens.

I do think that an evening ride would likely have a higher turnout, though, which I think is even more important for sending the message than just impeding traffic.


Noah Mustion
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I’m also toying with temporarily wrapping my bike all in white for the ride. Maybe just gauze or something. What does anyone else think?

i imagine a gauze-unravelling, bike-entangling disaster….


helen s
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Maybe have the ride leader dressed in all white with white gloves and face makeup on a white bike? Or as many people wearing white as can manage.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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White-out ghost ride?


StuInMcCandless
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Hmm, a ghost ride. Shouldn’t be too hard to throw an old white dress shirt or blouse over whatever else you have on. I was just going to do the bike (taping down the ends of the gauze, of course), but that sounds like a cool idea, too. It will also help in that I’ll be making the McCandless to starting point trip at about 0-Dark:30, so I will need all the visibility I can muster.


Marko82
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I imagine the seriousness & meaning of the ride would be compromised if people/bikes were dressed up. Think, “look at the zombies on bikes, there must be a festival or something.” I would rather wear a pin-on sign on my back like a race number, only with the ghost bike/ROS message.

Anyone have access to tvak paper & printer?

What message or graphic would be appropriate?


HoffmannJ
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I have to agree with Marko on that one. A black/red armband and maybe a sign on that back. It’s not that I have a problem with the white out concept, it’s just I don’t think the message would necessarily get across to motorists or the media.

Any thoughts on a date yet? One idea to throw out: August 27th is a Friday and would mark three months since the day Don Parker was killed, but that is still two and a half weeks away. Should it be sooner?


joeframbach
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I think that weekend is also move-in weekend for a few colleges. It would attract the soccer-mom-vans from the burbs who likely don’t see many cyclists.


StuInMcCandless
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School is also in session in many districts, so traffic will be heavier. The date is OK by me.


cburch
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stef and i will still be in ny on that date, but if there is something i can do to help beforehand let me know.


dbacklover
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If the is down the ARB then count me in, I live not far from there and would love to be part of the ride.


Noah Mustion
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cburch:

what are you guys doing in NYC then? i will also be there


stefb
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we are actually going to the adirondacks, not NYC.


Noah Mustion
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oh ick, i’m guilty of the very NYC-centric chauvinism about which i often bitch.

“oh, you’re not from the city…”


Lyle
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Oh, what part of the adirondacks will you be in?


Nick D
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…Oh, you’re from Ohio


Noah Mustion
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Ah shit, you got to the essence of it didn’t you.

Anyway that’s flyover country to you, pal


stefb
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i have no idea which part, lyle. i have never been there. family vacation. The inlaws have made the arrangements. wish we could do both vacation and the bike ride. I made the first ride of silence though.


cburch
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we will be in the old forge/inlet/eagle bay area. my grandparents live outside of eagle bay.


ejwme
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Slight detour back to the topic with a question…

I can affix my crate to my bike, and was thinking of just putting “Don Parker” on it in big black letters on a piece of white paper. I figure maybe someone will go “hunh, what’s a Don Parker? Hey, google that on your phone…” and might turn up some info.

Edited to add actual question: Does that sound like an ok idea, or is that weird, or would that just not achieve the results we’re looking for (and potentially get a lot of people mad at “this blasted Don Parker parade”?


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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I think it’s a cool idea. Similarly, I was thinking of taking a sharpie to a white t-shirt: “I AM DON PARKER.”

Aren’t all of us?

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