Dangerous Drivers Thread, vol. 2

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Sully
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of my East St incident yesterday. I don’t know how I could have handled that any differently.

I don’t think there is much to be said. I think what she meant was she didn’t want you on the road at all, given there was no cycle lane at all at that point.


StuInMcCandless
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Awaiting verification of who GPJ-8259 is. Myself and one other have strong suspicions. PM me if you think you know. If you absolutely know, feel free to weigh in.


Mick
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I miss the old “SPEEDERS LOSE LICENSES” signs.


sped
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This morning’s commute on Mckean St. Frank Bryan Concrete truck pulling out of the garage onto the street. Looks my way then pulls onto the street in front of me. There was maybe 20-30 feet between him and I when he pulled onto the street, I had to brake relatively hard to avoid incedent. Needless to say I was pi$$ed so I jumped in front of him at the stop sign at 2nd and Mckean to let him know he pulled in front of me but before I could he started yelling at me for pulling in front of him, it verbally escalated between the two of us from there.

I’m guessing I should take the jail trail for a while as I’m sure I won’t be received well around Frank Bryan Concrete for a long time to come.


fultonco
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I was down there myself on Friday morning. There seemed to be quite a bit of concrete truck traffic. Seemed heavier than usual. They must have a big contract somewhere.

I didn’t have any trouble and didn’t see you. Just be careful out there. I’ve heard they make some concrete shoes and then take you to the river for a swim. Nobody ever comes back to give a review.


Eric
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Becuase of ft Pitt tunnels closed cars were detouring off the ft Pitt bridge onto Carson. Terr was so much traffic by the far entrance to station square that cars were driving partly on the sidewalk to get to another lane faster. Just watch going through that area.


Mick
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JGF-2818.

Passed me on the right when I was in the “go straight” lane, he was in the right turn only bu popped back in my lane. Gave me maybe 5 inches. I caught up with him at the next light.

He lowered his window and I got started explaining the 4 foot law, but I was interrupted “F YOU!” and a finger.

Later he pulled up beside me and started videoing me with his smart phone. I yelled “YOU SHOULDN’T BE DRIVING, DRUNKARD.”

It would have made a better video had I kept my voice down a bit (just loud enough to be clear) and gently explained “You shouldn’t drive when you are as drunk as you appear to be.” But hey, you can’t have everything.

Question: do plate numbers in the thread come up when they are googled? How can we descriptions of this behavior available to anyone who searches on a plate number?


jonawebb
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“How can we descriptions of this behavior available to anyone who searches on a plate number?”
The Wiki Dangerous Drivers page is good for that — http://bikingpgh.com/index.php?title=Dangerous_Drivers


buffalo buffalo
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> do plate numbers in the thread come up when they are googled?

doesn’t seem like it. trying a couple recent ones, GPJ-8259 turns up Stu’s youtube videos, but the others mostly just get gibberish.


StuInMcCandless
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In my videos, I put the plate in the title. Also, YouTube is owned by Google, so it might have a better chance of showing up quickly.

The one above might be too new to show up in a search. Try again in a few hours or tomorrow.


buffalo buffalo
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http://bikingpgh.com/index.php?title=Dangerous_Drivers

not sure who’s responsible for that top entry over there, but PD in a plate description almost always means ‘permanently disabled’. Police vehicles in PA get an MG (‘municipal government’) plate, or a standard private plate for private departments.

i’d also suggest that that page might be more useful if it linked back to the incident descriptions…


buffalo buffalo
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> The one above might be too new to show up in a search. Try again in a few hours or tomorrow.

that’s why i tried several, going back to the top of the previous page. yours was mentioned because it was the only one that got any useful results.


chrishent
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JZT-0648, large grey/pale blue sedan (Buick-like), black male. Didn’t do anything to me or others, but the man Face-timed the entire time on Penn Ave, from 16th St until 11th, and probably beyond. SMH


Gordon
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Dangerous driver during Ride of Silence, 05/18/2016. He tried to pass 40 riders, but was only stopped when there’s oncoming traffic on the opposite lane. It’s a red Suzuki and the license number seems to be JZS-0101. Video of the whole incidence will come soon. Now I’m going to invest in a rear-facing Mobius action camera to complement my front-facing one.


J Z
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AZ JSZ-0101 Appears to be an Arizona plate.


StuInMcCandless
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No, I think that’s a PA plate. Maybe an AZ bracket, but the color and numbering look like PA’s.


Gordon
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Harassed by a red car (not sure about the make) with license number JKM-8023 (not sure about the K – could be X). The passenger yelled at and startled me.


fultonco
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Looks like a Chevy Impala.


Gordon
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@fultonco: Thank you. I think it’s early 2000 model of Chevy Impala


fultonco
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Looks like an ’04


tenplusone
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Thanks @Gordon, these are some good quality images.

I remember the first guy, windows down, music blaring, tried to overtake the entire ride on a narrow street only to come face to face with oncoming traffic. Then sat there like a dolt with no where to go.

The second guy…. damn look at that mug…


Mick
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Lately I seem to be plagued by cars that are sitting there wai9ting for me to pass behind them before they make their next move – but their backu0p lights are on and I would go behind them like that. Ever.


GingerBeardMan
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Occasional lurker, first time poster … Around 8:40 yesterday evening, I was struck on my bike while in the crosswalk at Fort Pitt Blvd. and Smithfield St. by a dark SUV driven by a younger black male (probably in his 20s) who ran a red light. He stopped long enough to give me attitude and took off the moment I turned my back. Luckily, I wasn’t injured and a witness got his plate number: JRZ-1807

Police report was filed on the scene.


Eric
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Thank you for filing a report. I hope firstly that you are ok and that secondly your bike is ok. Guy will be getting a ticket in the mail im sure.


J Z
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+1 on thanks for filing a report, hope you & your rig are okay, GBM.


fultonco
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@Gordon:

I saw “your” Impala today! I was riding on Brownsville Road in Mount Oliver and encountered some construction so I took a left turn on Ormsby Avenue and then the first right onto Louisa (Street?), which is an alley running toughly parallel to Brownsville. Part way through the alley, a car with its lights on was staying well behind me. I finally was able to get over and let the vehicle pass. When it did, I noted that it was a burgundy colored Impala. I then saw the license plate and it was the very same JXM-8023!

The vehicle took a left at Calhoun (Street?) and I went right, to get back onto Brownsville. Neither the vehicle nor anyone inside gave me any trouble or behaved in a threatening manner. I think the driver was trying to also get past the construction but was unsure of the way. Perhaps the cyclist who knew the way gave him a better perspective on us.


Gordon
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@fultonco: You’ve got such a good memory! I’m glad they didn’t give you any trouble.


Marko82
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I was heading east on Baylor and stopped at the four way stop sign at Devinshire. There was a pedestrian waiting to cross so I told them to go ahead and cross. A black Audi with California plate 7HXL479 didn’t think he should have to wait. As I started pulling away after the pedestrian got to the sidewalk he right-hooked me and I had to bail hard to the right to not get hit. (there were no parked cars so I was positioned further right than normal, but still about six feet from the curb & wearing my dork hi-viz vest).

Since he was in such a huge hurry… I naturally was able to follow him to where he parked further up in shadyside to get a good pic. We exchanged words until I started to call 911 – then his buddy rushed him into his house.
Driver is 40’ish fit male with dark hair

View post on imgur.com


StuInMcCandless
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A shout-out to the driver of JYJ-3133, in a white Jeep in Millvale yesterday, who said he’d run me down if he caught up with me at the next light, because I dared to take the lane — just yards after a sign that clearly says “[bicycle symbol] MAY USE FULL LANE”. He beeped at me after seeing me in traffic two more times in the next 15 minutes, so I know he knows me on sight now.


J Z
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Hope you called that in to 911. I had that happen to me in Oakland, if you’re being threatened with bodily harm, have to call that in.


Gordon
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@stu: I’m sorry that you got harassed. I tried to look up some info regarding this for cyclists in PA, but all I could find is general info which may or may not help: http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/SSH-KYR-Pennsylvania.pdf

Quoting the article:
“Harassment
Title 18, Chapter 27, § 2709
As noted under the “Verbal Harassment” section, in Pennsylvania, the general harassment law prohibits following someone in or about a public place.

Penalty: Harassment is a summary offense in the state of Pennsylvania, punishable by up to 90 days in prison. Using lewd, lascivious, threatening or obscene language is a third-degree misdemeanor, punishable by up to 1 year in prison.

Reporting Crimes to the Police
o Call 9-1-1 for help if:
o The crime is in progress
o You or someone else is physically hurt or have been threatened with physical violence
o You can provide information about who may have committed a crime.
o Call the local police office’s non-emergency number to submit a report afterward. For example, in the City of Harrisburg, the number is 717-558-6900; in Philadelphia, call 311. Be prepared to provide them with:
o When it happened (date and time).
o Where it happened (street location, store location, bus line or bus stop, etc).
o Who is reporting (your name, contact information).
o A description of what happened.
o The name and contact information of witnesses, if you spoke to any.
o It can be helpful to include the law the crime falls under, such as Disorderly Conduct,
Title 18, Chap. 55 § 5503.
o A description of the harasser/s.
o Many police departments also have online reporting forms, for example, the Pittsburgh Bureau of Police has an online reporting form.
o Some police departments also allow you to anonymously send a tip about a non-emergency incident, for example if you see a group of people routinely harassing passersby at the same location. Visit your local police department website for information.

Once you’ve reported a crime, if you’ve provided your contact information, within a few days, you will receive a call with a police report case number and may have to answer follow-up questions. Save a copy of the police report for your records.”

I also found some articles regarding harassment in Portland, which may or may not be applicable here:
1. http://bikeportland.org/2011/07/20/bike-law-101-harassment-and-how-to-deal-with-it-56563

2. http://www.stc-law.com/bicyclist-harassment.html


StuInMcCandless
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Of course this occurred on a day when I wasn’t using a camera.

Harassment is one thing. What I’d really like to see is a bounty system. Anyone with incontrovertible video evidence that Driver X harassed a cyclist could pocket a nice $10 bill, part of the $100+ fine assessed on said motorist.

Drivers can think of this as tuition: Pay $100, learn a thing or two about treating cyclists properly.

We can hammer out the details elsewhere, but the sooner we start turning in these idiots, the better.


Gordon
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While searching for anti-harassment articles specific to cyclists in PA, I came across this old article on Post-Gazette: “Review finds Pennsylvania’s new bike safety law not closely enforced” (http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/neighborhoods-city/review-finds-new-bike-safety-law-not-being-closely-enforced-688939/#ixzz2UD8nbIc0)

It is said the lack of enforcement may be due to “…officers who are busy with more serious matters. An officer answering a call for a burglar alarm or a fight, for instance, would not pause to stop a driver for passing a bicyclist too closely, he said. Also, he said, an officer would have to be in the exact right place at the right time with a good viewing angle to discern a violation and determine that a car was within four feet. And motorists are less likely
to make a dangerous pass if they see a police car…”

I think the same problem may be encountered if there’s a push to enforce anti-harassment on cyclists. But like Stu said, if dangerous motorists could be convicted based on photographic evidence captured by cyclists and the fine paid by the guilty party go to both the city and the said cyclists, it may make considerable changes on the behaviors of motorists.

I was wondering if the city could work with Healthyride to start a pilot project. Perhaps Healthyride could install cameras on part of their fleet, which upload video data to a central server whenever they are docked, and utilize them to charge and fine offending motorists. The paid fine would then be split between Healthyride and the city. It would be difficult to process a huge amount of video data, of course. Perhaps Healthyride could put a “flag” button on the cameras to allow users to highlight any potential dangerous encounters with motorists. My Mobius action camera has such a button allowing me to save a 5-min section of video data whenever I push it.


StuInMcCandless
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Of course, what would really help is better driver training. Since most cyclists also have driver’s licenses, my plan would have the secondary effect of better informing cyclists what rights they do have, and what responsibilities they have to adhere to.

I should write a whole blog post on this, but I’ll try to keep this to just a couple dozen words.
* Every newly licensed driver will take a much longer written exam, 80 questions instead of 18 like they do now.
* Every four-year renewal will require a 25-question exam on changes to the law and the proper dealing with vulnerable road users (horseback, motorcycle, bicycle, motorized wheelchairs).
* Everyone with points on their license at renewal has to take the 80-question version.

Further, each question will have questions with four answer choices.
a) A correct answer (five points)
b) A plausible answer (one point)
c) An incorrect answer (zero points)
d) An unacceptable answer (negative five points).

Score the answers such that N unacceptable answers triggers an automatic failure.

Put this in place, and over four years, we will have better educated drivers and cyclists. Or the delicensure of people who have no business being behind the wheel of a motor vehicle.


Eric
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Scary story. Not sure how he got his car that far- all the way in the river by 26th and Railroad. Tangentially pertains to bike Pgh as the trail dead ends near there.

http://triblive.com/mobile/10645558-96/river-incident-pulled


StuInMcCandless
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EWC-8417, silver Toyota Prius. Didn’t happen to me, but I’ve seen @callahan‘s video. Thread-the-needle pass with a close oncoming car, Babcock Blvd in Shaler by the Shop’n Save. If that spot sounds familiar, it should. I’ve filmed and/or tweeted over a dozen incidents in this half-mile stretch.


Naomi
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ZHX 2660 Gray GMC Sierra pickup truck

Passed me on the right, close, 8-10″, sent me onto the yellow lines, no oncoming traffic fortunately. I was in the middle of the straight-on lane on Babcock southbound, just after the little hill before the lights at the turn for Rochester (with a RH turn lane), coasting as the light was red. Truck passed scarily close, pulled in front, and then had to stop because the light was still red. Sigh.


Gordon
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Always check left and right before entering intersections even if you have green on your lane:


helen s
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Love your videos with soundtrack!


tenplusone
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Yesterday, either 2015 or 2016 Light Grey Nissan Sentra 4 door. JWS-7595.

Scrawny, pale, white male, wearing black tank, black shorts red-stripe, and black hat.

He close passes me as I am taking the lane down S. Aikan towards Shadyside. I call out. He’s then directly in front of me. Traffic is slowing as it always does on that road, yet people still feel the need to floor it through that intersection leading up to Shadyside Place.

He’s yelling at me to “Get off his tail” To which I can’t really make out what he’s trying to say or what he expects me to do. He jumps out, runs up to me, and tried to push me off my bike.

He fails, as I’m not going down, so he runs back to his car, gets in and continues to yell at me “Don’t touch my car.” So i circle back and get behind him again to make sure I get his plate number.

At this point i’m just laughing at the guy, he floors it and speeds up the street toward Oakland.

I pull over and call the cops. Officer shows up about 10 minutes later and we have a chat, I give him all the info I have.

As i don’t have any injuries or damages, he doesn’t think they can get him for assault. He said maybe a summary harassment, but it would be a long shot.

Looking back I just think all that was pretty hilarious. I honestly think he got scared when he got out of the car and realized how much bigger I was than him, but he still had to defend his ego since this bicyclist was picking on him.

I didn’t really consider him a threat, so I didn’t see the need to escalate the situation further by using a higher level of force.

But it just goes to show you. People just seem to get stir crazy when they drive. This guy obviously had many screws loose to act like that.

I’m glad this is one situation where I held my temper – something I am trying to work on. Maybe I am a lot more sarcastic with people than I think and he thought I was messing with him? – *Spoiler, i kinda was*

But as usual, lookout.. obviously something isn’t right with this dipshit.

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