Dangerous Drivers Thread, vol. 2
Good for you for holding your tongue. These days I worry about idiots with guns.
Had a similar occurrence last Saturday. I pulled up behind stopped traffic on Shady northbound at 5th at 8:30am. The car in front of me inched forward about two feet, so I also inched forward, just as I would in a motor vehicle.
The driver flips out and starts yelling not to get so close to his car. I mumbled something like “Dude, it doesn’t matter.” He made a show of discomfort, but didn’t exit the car, like the criminal incident above. And I didn’t bother noting it any further.
I have to say, I’m pretty impressed by this local fear of cyclists who are behind one’s car.
At any moment you could lean over and lick his car if you get too close.
Red Jeep, JPT 6836. Fast, honking close pass at ~40 mph on the 31st St Bridge (posted 25 mph). Got held at the red light at the Penn Ave end, of course.
Middle-aged white male driver, naturally. Rolled down his window to yell something incomprehensible back at us (something about needing to stay right, maybe?) before making a left onto outbound Penn. Apparently doesn’t know about turn signals, either.
Involved in my first bike crash today.
I was proceeding straight in the 6th Street Bridge bike lane on the RC bridge, Downtown through the light at Ft. Duquesne.
A dark silver chevy traverse with Ohio plates (didn’t get a plate) proceeded to turn right crossing the bike lane with no signal. It was around 3:30 and I was wearing a bright yellow shirt. He hit me, I fell off my bike and landed on the pavement, catching myself mostly with my left hand and hip. The car did not stop and proceeded through the light and turned left onto Stanwix. (ps thanks to the guy who tried to follow him)
I work at Kayak Pittsburgh so I returned to the office where I filed a report but since I don’t have a plate, I doubt anything will happen.
So yeah. It helps to go limp.
Are there traffic cameras in the area? Probably should have called police to the scene, also summon medical help, gone to an emergency room. Hard to believe a driver did not know he was involved in a collision.
There were a lot of things I should have done. But honestly, I was full of adrenaline, I didn’t feel any pain whatsoever and I wasn’t thinking logically. I believe someone at the scene called 911 but I can’t confirm
Leaving the scene of an accident where injury results is considered a 3rd degree felony
This is a serious crime, with mandatory jail time. I know it’s a pain but you should pursue it. This driver is a dangerous criminal.
Ok, so, just talked to a police officer from Zone 5 (Badge 4376) he said that it’s not really useful to file a report but I encouraged him to do one anyways and that, “the detectives have so much of a caseload that it will probably be cold then closed.”
So, unless someone leans on the cops, nothing will come out of this.
Anyway, thank goodness you are OK. The first crash is an eye opener, makes you aware of how vulnerable we are.
Be careful out there.
Speaking of traffic cameras, how would one go about finding where they are and acquiring them?
At the least the police report helps with insurance claims. Maybe also qualifies for some victim compensation whether a loss on a tax return or some other program? Cops don’t want to do them because they take time and see little benefit re finding the bad guy.
^plus police reports are the basis for all sorts of data driven public policy & safety statistics. If a police report isn’t filed- it didn’t happen.
Glad that it sounds like you’ll be ok.
I’ll be back to work tomorrow! Not gonna get back on the bike for a while (1-2 weeks) until my hip feels a bit better, but for now, it’ll be the bus for me. Thanks for all the support guys! Maybe I’ll lean on the officers in a couple weeks to see if anything changed.
There’s a bollard missing on the inbound Clemente Bridge bike lane. I use it, when possible, to get back in the traffic lane, just so I don’t end up in that situation.
This is not a dig on you, Jason, and I’m glad you’re OK. But if I was to go back through the board posts to when that lane was first put in, that exact situation was foreseen. I know Colleen and I and others all have video showing right hooks. This is a design fault as much as driver danger.
Meanwhile, I need to get my rear camera back in operation. Ohio has front plates. Had I been in that situation, with a functional rear camera, chances are pretty good I could have gotten a plate number.
Funny thing is I knew this would happen eventually. I know that lane sucks for right hooks, and I wish the city would do something about it. I was looking and scanning for right turn signals to see if I was about to get hooked. This guy had no signal.
Yesterday I had a very close pass by a white box truck on the steep part of Center in Aspinwall. I heard it laboring up the hill and moved pretty far right, and I still could have signed the side if I had a pen out. It turned left onto 8th and I did not get plates. Bizarre.
From a series of tweets on Saturday afternoon while I was driving in West View.
JGL-?045 “?” was a 5,6,8,9 not sure. Silver 4-door sedan. First laid on the horn bc I was going too slow. Then passes me *& the bus* …
…on a curve, at a traffic light. Somehow no oncoming traffic. This is on downhill 19 in WView btwn McD’s & WVwParkDr.
Further note that I was in the car at the time! Not on a bike! Passes a car going 20 then a stopped bus & tries to cut in front of the bus.
So, yeah. I’m slowing down because a bus is stopped in the street, discharging passengers, and before I come to a stop, this driver lays on the horn, gets full over into the oncoming lane, on a blind right curve, at an intersection, and then cuts off the bus which, by that moment, has begun moving again, only to make the same left the bus is making, so has to speed up a bit to make it in front of the bus before they both turn left.
That takes a special kind of stupid.
Was headed down Saline to continue on Irvine this evening so I pulled into the travel lane about 100′ from the intersection (with a red light) and soon heard a roaring behind me. A guy in a Tahoe stopped behind me at the light and yelled that the bike lane was over there. I explained that the bike lane WAS over there but had ended, that I was going straight on Irvine, and that we were all obeying the law. He yelled he didn’t care and I got a little less polite… He started to gun around me to make a left onto Greenfield when the light turned but thought better of it. Bleh.
On saline, it’s close enough to point to the parkway “The car lanes are over there, dude.”
The title of the thread should maybe be “Dangerous and Asshole Drivers”…
Here’s my contribution:
This morning I’m coming down Schenley Dr. My habit is to move to the car lane (basically just over the car/bike divider) when coming around the blind curve just before the Tech St intersection. The reason is simple: pedestrians use that lane coming up; you don’t want to bear down on them going 20+mph.
Anyway, I’m coming around the corner. I sense a car behind me, slowly following. Usually they zoom by. This is odd.
Eventually the car moves up next to me and the driver rolls down the passenger window. I hear: ” You know, I’m supposed to give you people 4ft. But you’re not letting me do that. Why aren’t you in the bike lane?”
What can you do? It’s not the time or place to initiate a reasoned discussion, trying to point out the flaws in their reasoning, invoking relevant traffic laws, and generally addressing the situation at hand. So I just yell “why can’t you just pass?”. Which he actually does and speeds off. Sadly, he likely did not hear the next part: “why do you have to be such an asshole?”
Not very new sedan (dark grey?), needed a wash/wax. SSA (“Shady Side Academy”) sticker on the back (aka “I can afford the tuition for my brat and you can’t”). Late-middle age male. Why do all these cliches keep hounding me? It just makes biking in Pittsburgh feel claustrophobic.
This guy drove a semi half a block up the Penn Ave bike lane to park in front of the Ben & Jerry’s, shortly after midnight 7/13-14.
US Foods semi parked in bike lane, 900 block Penn Ave, Downtown. Had to drive up it a half block to get there, too… pic.twitter.com/EiJYFKWm8C
— Bison bison (@infinitebuffalo) July 14, 2016
The only safe thing to do on Schenley Drive downhill is to take the lane. You are probably speeding in any event, or at least going pretty close to 25; I know I’m well over 25 around the s-curve, usually over 30. Then there is the little detail that there isn’t even technically a bike lane there, just a wide shoulder…
I do usually take the lane, and am going at or close to the speed limit; I will even slow down if I notice myself getting close to 30 (there’s a posted speed limit there, after all). On this particular occasion I was travelling with another person who was slower and behind me, so I was hanging to the side and trying to leave room for cars to pass.
And, yes, that is not a bike lane; it’s more of a pedestrian walkway that bikers end up using due to speeding traffic.
I sort of commend the driver in Ahlir’s recent case for wanting to know what the right thing to do is/was. But, neither the time nor the place was the right one. This might have been an ill informed motorist, but unlikely more than that.
It does point out the need for enhanced education among drivers wanting to do the right thing.
A parent with school stickers on the car is a good reminder that starting with kids is a good way to educate adults.
^I somewhat disagree. The driver knew he was suppose to give four feet to pass yet the did not do this. Nowhere in the law does it say ‘unless there isn’t enough room’. This situation is the very reason the law was passed!
If you cannot give four feet (for ANY reason) – DO NOT PASS
It’s really just a driver and a cyclist dealing with a bad road design, and a driver not knowing what to do in a particular situation. @ahlir gave him correct instructions, just pass. It’s the best that could be hoped for. That road may get redesigned eventually, as a result of the effort to reduce runoff.
Uber driver with plates JZM8605 was driving recklessly in Oakland this morning. Nearly ran the stop sign to my left when it was my turn to use the 4-way stop intersection. I came across him again a few times speeding down the side streets of Oakland, doing rolling stops through stop signs and using the Marathon parking lot as a passway. Don’t remember the car, it was a white sedan maybe? :/
Back to the Schenley Dr. thingie. I do get passed A LOT on blind curves, like Boundary before it dips down to Joncaire or Hobart going up (west) past Murray or many others. I can’t fathom this. I am not generally going slowly (even on the rise on Hobart). My solution on curves is to move over close to the double yellow. I don’t know how much more I can do to signal to the drivers to wait behind me (and I do put my left palm down and wave backward too if need be). I’ve been passed on Dorseyville Road on those bends near Beechwood Farms, again on blind corners, many times. It is just senseless.
Now that I have moved to Polish Hill, I have nearly-blind curves on nearly every road I take, in and out, and it’s almost guaranteed that if there’s a car behind me, they’ll try to pass me at the apex of a curve when they can’t see a damn thing coming.
28th St Bridge, Herron Ave S, Melwood/Gold curves….all of the above. I think sometimes Pittsburgh drivers must have a death wish…their own or someone else’s, doesn’t matter…
It is so unfortunate that I have to report two cases of dangerous driving on the day of Pittsburgh Bike Plan – Open House meeting.
Case 1: Close pass
Time: 07/14/2016 07:56 AM
Location: N Negley and Penn, Pittsburgh
Offense: Did not observe 4-ft passing law
Model: Subaru XV Crosstrek (Blue)
Plate #: FHG-7037
Case 2: Right hook
Time: 07/14/2016 07:26 PM
Location: N Neville and Ellsworth, Pittsburgh
Offense: Right hook
Model: Toyota Tacoma (red)
Both will be reported to Close Call and ReportDangerousDriver.com
A copy of the Pennsylvania Driver’s Manual went through my hands today. I was curious so I flipped through it. There’s something in it about “Bicyclists”! Three “safety tips” to be exact (pedestrians get 9). But there’s also a section on applicable laws, with 6 points. So I guess we’re even. Anyway, for the record, here’s the bit entitled
SAFE PASSING IS THE LAW
With reference to my earlier post re that guy on Schenley Dr, it would appear that, yes, my appraisal of him was essentially accurate (see point #1, on passing decisions).
I can concede that I maybe I should not have commented on his “SSA” sticker. But it’s always baffled me that people put stickers and such on their cars. What are they telling us about themselves? (Not in the specifics, but by the act of marking itself.)
I don’t usually ride during normal rush hours, so maybe was surprised by two close passes this morning.
Heading east on Wilkins approaching 5th a minivan passed within maybe 2.5 feet and I yelled HEY loud enough the driver heard me. When stopped behind her at the light, she asked why I yelled at her. When I said she was supposed to give me 4 feet of clearance, she then asked how she was supposed to tell if she was 4 feet away. My response was to try to give 5 just to be sure.
Shortly afterwards, on Aiken approaching Center, a car sped past very closely. At the light, I rolled up to the open window and said she was supposed to give me 4 feet. Looking up from her phone, the driver was a bit startled, and turned down the very loud radio while partially closing her window, saying “what did you say?” After my same response, her reply? “To tell you the truth, I never even saw you in front of me.” I reminded her that made her a very dangerous driver and my life was in jeopardy with her on the road.
Just another day riding in traffic.
Two dangerous situations I encountered on motorcycle in the past couple of days.
Saturday night, Ferguson Road, Hampton Twp. Plate # JPY-1934. Extended tailgating, honking, flashing high beams, trying to force his way past, despite my going the posted speed limit. I let him by (to get the plate) and followed him for a bit. Topped out at 51 mph in a 35 zone.
Tonight, on Brighton just before the split at California and N. Charles, someone passed me on the right in the parking lane, just as I was starting to edge right to go up NCharles. I was doing 25 in a 25 zone. Plate JXF-7341.
I suspect they would be aggressive, intolerant bullies to a bicyclist, too.
To Ahlir and neilmd,
Schenley Dr. isn’t any better now than it was in the 90’s. That used to be my commute and I would take the whole lane for the various reasons stated here. I had a couple of incidents, though.
Once, I was riding along, going more than 25mph, and a car behind me honked. Since I was travelling fast and approaching the curve, I didn’t look back. Turns out it was a police cruiser (no lights or sirens on) who decided to pull me over and give me a talking to. I said yes sir (this was the 90’s and I didn’t want to get into an argument about “as far right as practicable”) and then continued to ride the same way.
Second time, I again was in the middle of the lane, probably closer to the yellow line, and some idiot felt that 25-30mph wasn’t fast enough so they passed me on the inside. They went through the pedestrian area I was working to avoid.
I get similar crazy behavior these days coming over the crest of the hill on Wilkins westbound before it drops down to 5th Avenue. I don’t know how many people believe that they can see through solid rock to determine if a car is going to be coming at them head-on as they pass me right before the crest of the hill. Almost matches the idiocy of people passing me going up Wilkins from 5th and almost causing a head-on crash with a police cruiser.
NY plate GLE 6806: close pass on Sarah St to stop sign in 24?00 block, parked 2 blocks later. Oh, & texting, too. pic.twitter.com/JsrjWJ4c4F
— Bison bison (@infinitebuffalo) July 20, 2016
I do so love the fast pass to reach a stop sign… Especially when it’s followed by a red light where I can get a photo… The parking two blocks later was really just icing.
JXJ-1621: Close pass on the South Aiken Bridge towards Ellsworth. I caught up to him at the light at Ellsworth (shockingly) and he gave me a *shrug*. So I simply stated, “It’s four feet to the left in PA.”
This apparently pissed him off, but he was out of good insults so the best he could muster was a basic, “f*$k you.” However, he then opened the door. In a somewhat fear for my own safety, I lied and said he was on camera and if he stepped out of the car he would be reported to the police with evidence. I’ve never seen a door shut so fast.
He then sat through the entire green light. I turned right onto Ellsworth, he went straight.
@jason: I’m glad you averted a possible road rage incidence – good use of the “you are on camera” bluff. But if you are interested in getting an actual camera, I’ve had good experience with Mobius ActionCam: https://www.mobius-actioncam.com. It is lighter and more compact than its competitors. With the weather cover, it can withstand rain and snow as well.
Note: this is not my setup – I prefer a front and a back camera mounted on my handlebar and rear rack.
News article of this incidence: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3703396/Regretting-picking-cyclist-Furious-motorist-slams-brakes-friends-surround-biker-machine-gun-gang-jump-van-abduct-steal-Porsche.html
Don’t we all wish police reaction to dangerous drivers in US would be this swift? Seriously, this is probably a police sting operation in Russia.
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