Dangerous Drivers Thread, vol. 2
White Chevy HHR: PA License HGT 0759 (or maybe 8759)
This morning about 8:30 a.m. I was coming up Butler inbound. I usually take the lane until things get backed up around 44th and then filter on the right, but today I was in no hurry and wanted to be a responsible cyclist, so I stayed in the lane as traffic began to back up at the light on 45th. As soon as I start to slow down someone behind me starts honking. I look back, and a middle aged white woman is frantically gesturing for me to move over. I smile at her and point to the sharrow, which I am directly on top of. She flips out, yelling for me to get over, and starts taking pictures of me on her phone (showing me waiting patiently at the the light in bumper to bumper traffic). When the light goes through a full green-red cycle without traffic moving I pull over to the side to allow her to move up the 8 feet of her road that I had been occupying, but she didn’t. I walked my bike back to her car and gestured for her to roll down the window to talk, but she wouldn’t, so I eventually rode off.
To be filed under: some people are more wound up than others…
When we tried to let this driver know she was driving in a bike lane, instead of “Yeah, sorry.. I’m lost.” or something SANE, she let loose with screaming and vulgarities. Wow.
Black Hyundai SantaFe, PA KDM-3900
The lanes on Wightman are really bad, constantly see drivers in the bike lane there.
Indeed, Whightman could use a road diet. Is there a reason why it is wide enough for 6 lanes of traffic?
It’s out-of-town, but this thread seems like the right one:
[from Pittsburgh Cycling facebook]
I almost was killed today riding in a crosswalk at One Wild Place/Butler going up into the woods from the Highland Park Bridge. I pressed the crosswalk button and waited until it gave me the go ahead. I waited a couple of seconds after it was okay to cross. Some black guy tried to kill me and looked me in the eye as he passed. It was close. He wanted to take me out. I have been encountering this now and again. I suggest people be very careful these days. I think there are some people out to make a statement. I have been riding a bike around our city for decades and this is new. I hate to say this, but if you are a white person, beware. Things are changing. There has been too many situations for me to ignore at this point and I have been talking to other commuters that are actually quitting riding a bike to work due to this. They have little kids and said they are not taking the chance anymore. I find this pretty sad. I am riding almost all sidewalk and woods to work now. I guess I am one of the few that is seeing this? I don’t get it, but maybe this type of thing is not spoken of? Sorry, but I am speaking of it.
Dude, that racism is totally inappropriate. There is just no place on this message board for deciding how people are going to behave based on their race. Stop it or get off the board.
I think it’s a matter of perspective. In the city, I’m liable to get close passes and other harassment from blacks about as often as whites or anyone else. Once I get out past Millvale or the Ross line, said harassment is coming mainly from whites. It’s just where people live. I’ve seen no qualitative distinction based on the part of town I’m in. Sorry to say, willful ignorance is an equal opportunity employer.
At best, it is naive to think that being white makes you more of a target when riding on the road. It is worth taking a step back and reevaluating your perspective. You don’t have to live with delusions of persecution and you don’t have to withdraw from society to feel safe. Quite simply, there isn’t a trend of targeting bikers because they are white. I seriously hope that feelings of racial persecution aren’t fueling resentment in other aspects of your life.
I’ve had wide range of interactions from folks of all color: some really fabulous, happy folks who are delighted to see cyclists and the other end of the spectrum too. Skin color has nothing to do with it.
Here’s how you *should* group dangerous drivers:
A) the angry ones
2) the inept/clueless ones
III) the non-sober or distracted
d) those with medical issues
gg, your outlook is clouded by racism. Yuck.
Ford gold colored SUV
PA KBC 9036
Driver revved engine and came up behind me at a high rate of speed in Spring Way, stopped suddenly and nearly hit me when I stopped at a cross street, he tried to squeeze past me at the cross street.
We spent a full minute arguing about the speed limit in the alley and close passing.
YZL-2589 grey pickup, passes me on R in intersection of Perrysville & Ivory, has to climb median to do so, and #fuckinghorn, too.
Ford Fiesta PA- KBY-4582
Follows me for a block and half up Penn Ave on_her_horn in order to beat me to the red light.
Bronze-coloured Acura SUV passes me–not super-stupid fast, but pretty close–on Craig St SB just past Bayard. Of course, I caught up to him at the light at Fifth (and again at Forbes).
PA JTE 9425, Acura SUV with Edgewood PA parking permit, illegal close pass (<2'), North Craig St, Oakland, Pittsburgh pic.twitter.com/BrfD2urzjp
— Bison bison (@infinitebuffalo) October 18, 2016
He didn’t seem to care for having a photo taken of his vehicle, so when he turned around to take my picture I helpfully held up the sign for “FOUR [FEET]”…
@ilikesleep Also, he didn't like having his car's picture taken, so some middle-aged white dude now has photo of me giving him all 4 fingers
— Bison bison (@infinitebuffalo) October 18, 2016
He probably has no clue what you meant with your four-finger gesture. “Does this guy have four kids?” “Is he quadruple-flipping me off?”
He other day i was at the 40th and butler intersection and was surprised when a medium size white pickup truck, who had been waiting at the light to proceed uphill on 40th ran the red light from a stopped position right after I crossed through the intersection in front of him (i was traveling on butler and had a solid green light the whole time). Even if the light had changed while I was crossing, he would have still had to wait for the left turn cycle.
There may have been some discourteous words exchanged afterwards when i inquired as to what the stuff was he doing.
Black Dodge 4×4, license plate ZDP-0206.
at 5:50pm, on Pocusset between Wightman and Murray in Squirrel Hill.
I stopped at the stop sign at Wightman to let him turn in front of me. Usually on this block the majority of the cars are waiting to turn right onto Forward, so I wait until traffic has stopped, then filter up on the right. This guy REALLY didn’t want me to do that, and kept inching over, almost hitting some parked cars. I didn’t realize that he was trying to block me for most of a minute. When traffic finally stopped, I just passed him on the left, at which point he yelled “GET ON THE SIDEWALK” at me.
- This reply was modified 3 years, 7 months ago by bk7j.
bk7j – I usually shout back to those drivers “YOU shouldn’t be on the road!”
And chances are, that driver did not have all his ducks in line – he should be sober, licensed, have his car registered, inspected and insured. Chances are he was missing one or more of those things.
And, y’know? He’s supposed to know the law, too.
I witnessed a crash during my ride today on Smithfield near Dollar Bank around 9:00 AM. Cyclist in a hurry decides to pass an <span style=”text-decoration: underline;”>SUV </span>on the left in the opposite lane. I could see the SUV starting to swerve right and attempts a U-Turn. Cyclist doesn’t see it coming and runs right into the left fender of the SUV. Thankfully, the rider was just shaken up a bit. Both were at fault in my opinion. The cyclist was illegally passing and the driver was attempting an illegal U-Turn. PA Plate HTT 1907
What’s the law about bikes passing cars? On a 4 lane road can a bike move to the left lane to pass a slow moving car in the right lane? (Not saying this was the situation above. Just wondering.)
(1) Upon all roadways, any pedalcycle operating in accordance with Chapter 35, proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into an alley, private road or driveway.
hello! I posted this on fb and a friend recommended I share here.
At about 12:30 pm today (11/22) a very large orange construction truck ran me into a parked car on Black st. between Negley and Chislett.
I was unable to get the plate – the truck came up behind me quickly and forced me to hit a parked car. Even with my body and bike up against the side of the parked car, the truck was about an inch from touching me. If my pannier had been on the left it could have been ripped off, or caught on the truck and dragged me along. The man inside the parked car and the woman driving behind the truck both made sure I was ok, but nobody got the plate. PLEASE be careful around the construction at the top of Black st. There is no way this guy didn’t see me, I must have been over a block ahead of him when he turned and I was wearing bright colors in broad daylight.
Since then I called 311 and found out PWSA is doing the construction, and I called them and complained (got a sympathetic response and the rep said she would report it to her supervisor). The truck didn’t have any logos or identifying marks, it was a large industrial construction vehicle. I wish I’d thought to go up to the construction site to get the plate, but I was pretty much having a panic attack for like the next 15 minutes.
I’m glad you weren’t hurt, as you easily could have been, and glad you called the PWSA. I hope they track down the construction company and get some action. This is really horrible. It’s the sort of thing the police should get involved with, IMO.
thanks! I’m really glad I’m ok too. And now I seriously wish I had a camera on my bike.
PWSA was actually really responsive and helpful, I got called back twice. but apparently they’re not the ones doing the work up there today, and it’s probably the gas company. Time for another round of trying to talk to someone in charge.
Glad it didn’t turn out serious.
I seem to have stuff happen to me on almost a daily basis, to the point it’s almost not worth talking about. Today I’m on Beechwood, approaching Forbes from the north. An SUV driver pulls out in front of me, right into the bike lane, to pass someone trying to turn left. Close enough that I get to wack them on the back (after managing to screech to halt; I have a bright front light). I’m ignored and (s)he roars off. Two cars down, someone else pulls the same stunt. They zoom fast so I don’t get to wack them.
Since I have the floor…
I have the habit of wacking cars with my hand that get too close (yes, they will get that close), on the theory that the driver should know that they were dangerously close to another human being. I think this is the right thing to do. Ideally they get to reflect on the fact that they did something wrong and might be more careful in the future. Of course there’s the downside: some drivers take this as a personal affront and jump out of their car to start yelling. (You have the mobility advantage, most of the time.)
I do too. If they are close enough for me to touch then they need to know that. I’ve never had anyone get out. Most of the time they think I’m a nut case and they take off. But I think it gets them thinking that the next human hitting car sound may be a head.
I’ve stopped doing that. I think it could be interpreted as an aggressive act, requiring escalation. I’ve also stopped cursing drivers, at least most of the time. Zen.
For the most part
I do the Zen
But then there are
I have to
do a bit more
Coming home by bus, it takes less than four minutes from exiting the bus to standing inside my house. The 0.9-mile trip on Perrymont should be simple, just a 250-yard climb then a half-mile downhill. Should. But often isn’t.
There are two blind crests going west off of McKnight, the first at the top of the aforementioned climb, the second a bit later before the big descent. It was at that second one Tuesday night that someone passed me, at speed, at the very top of that crest, and very nearly hit an oncoming car head-on. They were both going 35+, and missed each other by about 50 feet.
You can see in the rear video that the guy made no attempt to slow down. He just saw me in the lane, changed lanes, passed, and pulled back in. Which would have been fine if there hadn’t been oncoming traffic he could not possibly see.
PA plate ZFY-8649, pickup truck, could not tell make, model or year.
12/8/16 20H00 My family and I almost got mowed down as pedestrians last night in front of the Phipps Conservatory while we were in the crosswalk. Driver in a red vehicle intentionally sped through and threaded between us and another set of peds who were in the crosswalk on the hashmarks crossing to the side with the café. Really wishing I had the presence of mind to get a plate. Be careful if you’re over there to see the lights.
Wish they would put a speed hump by that crosswalk. It is hard to see the pedestrians stepping off the curb on the Phipps side. There are all the trees, the street is curvy, and there is the wide bike lane you need to cross first.
that being said, sound like the red car driver was being an asshat.
Width induces speed. Doesn’t matter what else is going on there. If the paved area is 40 feet wide, people will drive 40 mph.
I’m not a big fan of speed bumps, or humps. BumpOUTs, on the other hand, effectively narrow the travel lane, making people slow down. I’m not sure how well that would work with the bike lane, but OT3H, I’m not a big fan of the bike lane there, either.
interesting article about phantom traffic circles, bollards, and the naked streets movement, in the context of cars vs. peds/bikes.
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