Dangerous Drivers Thread, vol. 2

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Eric
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Special bonus points for anyone who can tell me what Pgh neighborhood is pictured in the article. All I can tell is that the building in the middle is a school.

 

Edit: drat.  Got my stories mixed up. I gave the correct link above. But the pgh picture was in this story about highway sound barriers. And it is Friendship.

 

Building the Wall: Highway Sound Barriers and the Evolution of Noise

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Ahlir
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… and that would be the Pittsburgh Montessori School, at Roup and Friendship.
The caption identifies it as a Pittsburgh “suburb”.


StuInMcCandless
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I see nothing positive about that idea.

  • Newbies to the configuration will indeed be confused, and might slow down, but might just as well dodge onto a sidewalk or do something else foolish.
  • As the article mentions, as soon as you get used to it, it will cease to slow drivers down.
  • I didn’t note that it makes any allowance for it being dark, or having snow cover.
  • Without having already introduced a lower speed limit, it’s nearly functionless.

StuInMcCandless
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KBZ-3566 is going to get a call from the authorities. This is me, bailing, because the car you see at left made no attempt to change lanes to pass me. The left lane was empty. It’s a four-lane road. Broad daylight. I’m wearing a blaze orange vest with a blinking light on my bright yellow helmet.

Link to photo from Facebook (because I cannot upload directly to the website from my computer)

 

KBZ-3566 is going to get a call from the authorities. This is me, bailing, because the car you see at left made no…

Posted by Stuart Strickland on Wednesday, December 28, 2016

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Lori
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On Ellsworth Ave., about 15 minutes ago a dangerous driver of a black SUV felt so extremely impatient that the person seemed quite willing to kill me with their vehicle. Kept revving the SUV super-loud and getting really close (accelerating to do so, directly in my direction). The driver couldn’t wait the 30 seconds for oncoming traffic to clear and use that lane to pass me. If the parking lane on Ellsworth was instead a bike lane, there wouldn’t have been an issue. If the true sports utility vehicle (talking about my bicycle) had been treated legally and given a 4-foot wide clearance and safety from behind, I wouldn’t have had to pull over to the right, still afraid for my life as the person roared by. Watch out for this dangerous driver.

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chrishent
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paulheckbert
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Is that the driver on the phone, calling for help? I hope nobody helped him get out of there. If the giant recycling claw had picked up his car and taken it away for scrap, that would have been just.

The photo from twitter:
 


Eric
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Only place to get on to get stuck there is by hot metal bridge, right?  Would have to obviously go up on sidewalk at that point…  So not a “I followed by GPS” excuse.


paulheckbert
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Maybe the car got on here
https://goo.gl/maps/viAnCzT1ZLk


Marko82
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You can also get on just upstream of the football practice field, but it’s pretty obvious that you are doing something wrong. Steetview https://goo.gl/maps/J8ude3QmLRv

 


Eric
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What was the phone call going to accomplish?  They aren’t removing those gates. Time to back up, turn around when you can, and drive back from whence you came.


paulheckbert
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Before the autonomous eagle comes and rips your head off.


The Iguana
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The gates can be opened (for emergency vehicles, etc.). A call to the Authorities might have gotten the gates opened by key or breaking the lock as was done for Ras Ible: https://www.facebook.com/Ras.Ible.

Some trail people have keys.


Ahlir
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So I run into this on my way into town this morning:

That’s the bus station. It’s not a delivery.

What made this dangerous is that a biker would have to swerve out into a busy street to get around the truck. And another biker did that just before me. As I took a pic, the driver’s door opened and this guy looked like he was getting out. Oh-oh. But then he got back in and drove off. Fortunately he didn’t need to roll over any (remaining) bollards.

The license plate is ‘Ohio PVN 3855’.

Anyway, I checked out the interwebs and this looks to be a local company:

PITT OHIO Corporate Office: 15 27th Street | Pittsburgh, PA 15222 | (800) 366-7488

And here’s an excerpt from their (rather lengthy) Mission Statement:

DECLARATION OF OUR COMMITMENT TO SAFETY:
We at PITT OHIO do hereby declare our full and absolute commitment to safety in every facet of our business. The safety of all personnel, our customers, and other highway users is of the highest priority. Therefore, safety will be an integral part of policies, procedures and programs governing our business. We further recognize that it is the responsibility of every level of management to provide a safe working environment, abide by all applicable safety rules, comply with State and Federal regulations, and insist upon complete commitment to safety from all personnel.

So here’s the question: If I somehow manage to summon the wherewithal to do something about it, what should that be? I can get in touch with the company (“we’re so sorry but we don’t keep track of who’s driving what truck on any given day”) or with the city or police. If the latter, where? It’s not a 311 or is it a 911. What is it?


buffalo buffalo
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It is a 911, but don’t expect it to be treated any differently than any other illegal parking.


Steven
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Please contact the company. Some companies are responsive to such issues, some aren’t, but why assume the latter?

I agree that the police are unlikely to do anything about a one-time instance of illegal parking.


Eric
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The strip trail ends at pitt Ohio. Just saying.


jonawebb
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You should definitely contact the company. You’ll at least get an apology and maybe they’ll talk to the driver. They won’t brush it off. They know which driver it was.


Ahlir
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This:

Yesterday at about 11am, while riding on the Penn Ave bikeway, my way was blocked by one of your trucks parked in the bike lanes. You can see this in the photo at https://goo.gl/photos/hikvkw1GnK9Y3tVi8

Your driver created a dangerous situation forcing me (and another cyclist who went by while I was stopped) into traffic on Penn.
Please instruct your drivers to not block bikeways, or otherwise make the street dangerous for cyclists and others.

Thank you.

Led to this:

Thank you for the information and picture you provided. We will speak to our drivers about these deliveries downtown and bike lanes. We want to be respectful of the bicyclist and not create a dangerous situation for anyone we share the roads with.

Than you again,
Tim

Tim Stipcak | Manager of Safety and Hazmat
PITT OHIO
Phone: 412-232-3015 x6311


Marko82
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^Hopefully that is sincere (and we have no reason to think it’s not) and it helps educate their drivers to be better road users.


Eric
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Can you tell him to extend the trail behind Pitt Ohio?


zzwergel
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Hi,

A few days ago, I was riding westbound on Penn Ave. from Shady Ave to where it merges with Liberty Ave. in Downtown. At 25:10, as I am 1/4 of the way across 9th St., A blue Chrysler crosses me from the lef as the traffic light turned yellow. I slammed on the brakes, yelled out “Asshole (License plate number)” before proceeding. Also a man was walking in the bike path between 13th St. and 12th St. at 23:00 I start ringing my bell and he does not move. I get closer, Ring the bell a few more times, and say “You should stay on the sidewalk.” He said “Shut up, I’ll walk wherever I want.” I replied, “Be glad I didn’t run you over” once past 12th St.

Since there are signs all over the place, people in cars should expect and know to look out for cyclists on every street. Bike path or not. If you want to pollute the air with car exhaust and make city more dangerous, that’s what highways are for, not Penn Ave. If you must use a car. BE CAREFUL!

Also, Would any sane person walk in the middle of an Interstate highway and not expect to get honked at and run over by trucks? The same is going to happen on a bike path. It won’t hurt quite as much, but it will definitely cause some pain.

Here is a link to my Penn Ave. video:

https://youtu.be/EijTzVxVAyI?t=1380

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jonawebb
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I totally get being annoyed with someone blocking you on the bike path and being rude when you try to let them know you are there and want to pass. But when you threaten them with being run over, you’re becoming the dangerous driver. Please don’t do that.


Eric
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I’d also add that at 2300 hours the person strolling in the bike lane was possibly intoxicated or mentally ill, and thus increases your chance of getting your clock cleaned.

After seeing the video that someone else posted in another thread (which I included below), this is going to be my new M.O. when people are in the bike lane.  Downside — you look like a dork doing this; Upside — your face will most likely remain intact.

 


Eric
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witnessed an almost-crash today walking home from work.

I was on Delafield at 4th in Aspinwall heading toward the VA.  A silver jeep liberty but bigger looking SUV was getting off of 28 also heading on Delafield toward the VA.

A bicyclist had just passed the mouth of the off ramp about 2 seconds before the jeep reached the merge point.  The woman in the jeep was looking over her shoulder to see if there was any traffic coming up delafield, but missed the biker straight again.

She slammed on her brakes with about 6″ to spare.

The biker was a saint.  Didn’t say anything, just kept biking.  There was probably a dirty look in there.  He then went up my hill (E. Waldheim)

I would have been screaming at the top of my lungs and eventually St. Margaret would have to send over a team to hit me with the defibrillator.

It was scary watching from about 200 feet away.


greg h
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Allegheny County Facilities Management MG-4234J

Second white van YVA-4827


Eric
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I’d call you county council person and complain.  They all have email too so an email with the video attached can be easier.

http://www.alleghenycounty.us/county-council/council-districts.aspx


zzwergel
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Fifth Ave., Car turns out of parking lot without me seeing him/her. Speeds down Fifth Ave. and turns right onto Washington Place on red while clearly stated “No turn on red”. This driver deserves a ticket for endangering a cyclist and running a red light.

 


StuInMcCandless
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One fine day on the Federal Street bike lanes. Situation #3, below, is why this is relevant to this thread.

Here is a four-minute-and-change video as I descend Federal St and head on over past PNC Park. As copied from my initial comment on the video itself:

 

<span style=”color: #993366;”>A couple of minor situations, none serious, in four short minutes rolling through the North Side, from Federal and Alpine to PNC Park.</span>
<span style=”color: #993366;”>* Situation #1, 0:21 – Downhill DZBL bike lane starts. I refuse to use it, so am far to the left. At 0:29, because I am not in it, driver sees me and stops. Had I been in it, we likely would have collided. My travel speed is close to the posted 25 mph. </span>
<span style=”color: #993366;”>* Situation #2, 0:32 – Cars parked in the bike lane. </span>
<span style=”color: #993366;”>* Situation #3, 0:43 – I am properly placed in the forward-direction lane, with a car stopped on my left. A car and a bus are waiting to make a left. I proceed effortlessly through the intersection, but need to move left to get around a parked school bus. But I cannot, as at 0:48 a speeding white car has managed to maneuver through the same set of vehicles in the LTO lane and cuts me off. Was not able to get a plate number. Note: Using my mirror saved me here.</span>
<span style=”color: #993366;”>* Situation #4 – Skip ahead to 4:21, the start of the PNC Park DZBL bike lane, which I avoid. (Also see a friend crossing the street.) At 4:33, the parked delivery vehicles fully occupy the DZBL. At 4:38, as the lane ends, I swing into the protected bike lane on the bridge.</span>

<span style=”color: #993366;”>Moral of the story: Both DZBLs should be restriped with hatch-marks to denote being buffer zones NOT to ride in. Riders should position themselves fully in the lane, without apology, and drivers should accept it, without a hint of objection.</span>


StuInMcCandless
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Oh hell, I give up trying to get the damned message board to render any sort of HTML markup properly.


helen s
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Tuesday morning going north on Negley I was passed twice by cars on the tops of each of the hills on either side of Fair Oaks.  I was in the lane, so they had to swing wide and into the other lane to get past- not a good idea on the crest of a hill.  I was able to point out to one driver how dangerous that was on their part.

A bit farther north, I was passed with about 18 inches clearance by a red Yaris with plate FSK 8307 (Pennsylvania).  I yelled “Hey” very loudly- when I caught the male bearded (late 20’s?) driver at the next stoplight, he rolled down his window and asked if I had a problem with him.  I stated he legally had to give me 4 feet of clearance, to which he replied “Get off the road you sorry ass bitch”.  He then proceeded to drive normally for a few blocks.  I tried to get out my phone to take a picture at a red light, but was unable to get a photo.  I finally was able to write down the plate number.  After following him a bit further, he then started driving at less than 12 mph, and then pulled over partially onto the sidewalk.  I passed and sprinted to get away, concerned he would follow, but after a block or two he was no longer behind me.

On the way home that evening, going south on Negley a car passed very closely, to which I again yelled “Hey!”- they stuck their hand out the window palm up, which I interpreted as a “what was the problem?” gesture.  They then sped through the orange (yellow to red) light turning left onto 5th Avenue.

Just another commute.


fultonco
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Got passed very close this morning by a Red PAT Bus #1716.  It was approximately 8 am.  I was going uphill on Southern Avenue and could have reached out and touched the side of the bus.  Didn’t have a camera rolling.  The whole thing was most unnecessary because there was not any traffic at all, except us, and the driver could certainly have given me a bit more room w/o putting himself in any sort of danger.


Eric
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File a complaint on the pat website.


Eric
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fultonco
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@edronline  Done!  Thanks.


Marko82
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@fultonco,

Whenever I need to report a bus driver for dangerous driving I prefer to call 911, then ask the operator to connect you with the port authority police.  Tell them that your concern involves a bus & you need to speak with one of their officers instead of the city/boro police.  Sometimes the PAT cops have taken my info over the phone, but I’ve also met them roadside to file a formal report complete with incident# that you can check up on latter.  Remember that PAT cops are full police officers just like the city, so interact with them with the same respect you would any other officer.

IMHO, that feedback form is a useless black hole meant for “minor complaints” not life threatening behavior.


Eric
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Now that I think of it, I’ve never gotten a response from the pat form more than “thanks we’ll check into it.”

@marko82, what have interactions been like for pat police?
Also, what is the threshold for calling for you?

They tend to hang out downtown by wood Street station in front of McDonald’s. So if the incident takes place near there may be easier to find them than call 911.

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Marko82
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Interactions have been very professional.  My sense is that PAT officers don’t get to do a lot of real police work, so they don’t mind being sent on a call.  Most of my city police interactions have been good too, but they seem less likely to do anything, or file a report.

My threshold: that’s hard to pin down, but basically I will call 911 (PAT or City) when I think that the driver intentionally put my life at risk and I have a plate# and driver description.  The other factor is how much time you’ve got, because it can take quite a long time for the police to show up.

Just remember, if no one reports crime, statistics say there is no crime;  same for car-on-bike assaults.


RustyRed
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Silver Volkswagen Jetta

PA JTR 0147

PA JTR 0147

Nearly causes a head-on collision passing around a bend…. just so he can get to the red light faster… so he can wait.

Naturally, I catch up with him and he blames me for his incompetent driving skills.


StuInMcCandless
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Here is Monday’s contribution, a close pass on Penn Ave.

rear video

The first minute or so is normal. I leave a long lead-up to show what normal looks like. About 1:45 a series of three cars come up behind and pass me with plenty of space. Then at 2:00, this guy comes up behind and passes me with about a foot, maybe 15″ clearance.

PA plate GZA-7110

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