Dangerous Drivers Thread, vol. 2
Why is there so much speeding on Browns hill Rd? Look at this! I would recommend some rumble strips Between Hazelwood Ave. and Imogene Rd. After Imogene Rd., Install some speed bumps so if speeding continues, the car will be damaged. If they ask for insurance to fix their car, it will be declined because they were going 50 MPH in a 25 MPH zone. Also, the use of radar at the three traffic lights to turn them red upon detecting speeding cars would not be a bad idea.
- This reply was modified 3 years, 2 months ago by zzwergel. Reason: Add traffic light based solution
Also, Add a Gatling gun to the traffic light at Imogene Rd. like this one.
Earlier today, we had an encounter with a fine gentleman driving a pickup truck. We were going uphill on the bike lane on Brereton in Polish Hill, and stopped at the intersection with 30th St. The gentleman in question was also going uphill and got to the stop sign after we did. Naturally, he rolled through the stop sign and proceeded to cut off two of my fellow riders to go up 30th St. At this point, name-calling ensues on our part, to which he responds by threatening to shoot us, and follows that with some choice epithets.
Didn’t take his plate. Middle-aged white man driving a grey, Ford Ranger-type pickup.
Rarely post and usually deal pretty well even with dangerous situation(had to renew my account). Yesterday, turning from Forbes to Denniston (small part that hits Darlington in Squirrel Hill), I take the lane as it is a short strip, narrow, cars parked on both sides and has a stop sign at Darlington. Honda Oddessey (00057CC) passes me with about 6 inches and I yell “how about 4 feet.” He swerves in front of me and hits the brakes. I almost crash into him and we begin yelling. My wife and kids are now at Darlington and Denniston (we were racing home) and are watching this. Guy turns left (so do I). He gets cut off by a car at the stop sign (backing up). I yell, “how do you like being cut off, sucks huh”. He proceeds to get out of the car, I go around and he again passes me with no space and speeds off. I was fearful for my safety, he has county constable license plate so likely carries a weapon. He should be held to higher standards. File a police report?
I would. Worst case scenario is nothing will happen. Best case scenario is that there is a record of this guy’s behavior for the next time.
And a Honda Odyssey… I only thought low testosterone suburban men like me use those swagger wagons as our primary ride.
This guy was wound tight. I recognized him as either a neighbor or from the courthouse. In his late 40’s early 50’s, grey curly short hair, had cones (sports) in the vehicle. I either recognize him from kid’s sports or court.
At 1:26pm today (4/27) Yale and I were biking on Foster St from 40th to 44th in Lawrenceville, riding about 2 feet from the curb, single file, 10 mph, and a fat, middle-aged woman driving a silver sedan coming up behind us honked at us, although there was space for her to pass us legally. PA license plate KBN 2772. She yelled something like “there’s a bike trail, you know” as she passed us (gave me 3 feet, probably). Because there are stop signs at 42nd, 43rd, and 44th, we were nearly catching up to her at every cross-street. We yelled out “what’s your problem?” and she gave us the finger as she drove away.
It appears that her beef with us is that we were riding bicycles on a city street!
(We were biking to Gourmandine bakery. Ain’t no bike trail to there, of course.)
Darlene Harris-style cyclophobia like this is bad for all of us because it legitimizes hateful speech, which could degenerate into dangerous physical behavior. We need to get more of these cyclophobes out of cars and onto bicycles.
Looking back at my original post about the Darlene incident (page 2 of this thread), the term I used in my description of the driver was “well fed”. Conveys the same idea, minus the shame, I think. At that moment, I did not know who it was. Someone contacted me on Twitter a few hours later, resulting in my follow-up post of “If you absolutely know who this is…”
In the medical field our code words including “well-nourished.” One time I was reading my medical records (NEVER A GOOD IDEA) from a recent visit where I had an ingrown toenail/abscess drained, and the doc used that phrase to describe me. I guess I got a taste of my own medicine!!
Now I rarely if ever comment on that in my notes. And if I do, I use the appropriate medical term — obese.
I can see why it’s relevant in medicine, but maybe in describing dangerous drivers we don’t need to hone in on their weight. After all, pretty much everybody is overweight, to some degree, in this country. We can just assume. And avoid connecting driving behavior to a physical issue that is associated so strongly with moral judgment.
I think this discussion should be in the Dangerous Posters Thread…Or the Poorly Reasoned Opinion thread.
An exercise in how to be descriptive without being judgmental. Or, how to be as objective as possible on a subjective topic.
“I wish you’d left the fat-shaming out of this.”
Since Trump won, political correctness is passe`.
Ironically, Mr. President doesn’t like pics of him in which he looks heavyset/well-nourished/husky/obese.
Last year @stefb coined the phrase “Park n’ Fish.” Is this “Park n’ Eagle view”?
^^ that’s the second car someone on this MB has photographed going more than a mile down the trail – Just this year!
That gate by the practice trial needs a sign and a LOCK
BTW what police department should I report to? This is from Action Cam and has date/time stamp and license plate is visible.
If it is right by eagle lake/bird viewing it is Pittsburgh. Hays is the neighborhood.
Mikhail: were they there birdwatching? Was anyone in the car?
I’m half tempted to post a warning to one of the eagle-watching facebook groups that cars will get ticketed/towed/impounded for driving on the trail as well as a request that they call 911 if they see cars on the trail.
I’d start by emailing the trail council for over there. Is that steel valley? They probably know some of the birders there and can get them to police themselves.
That car surely (IMHO) was there supporting the SVTC Raptor Row Ride. … I saw it as well and figured as much…Eagle Lake was a busy location with tables, etc..for the event supporting the trail: all are invited to support their trail (https://steelvalleytrail.org/). It looks like they obeyed the four foot rule… I’m sure I can find out who it was if you wish…Typically the car should have some indication that it is on the trail for trail business.
Wasn’t the Raptor Ride on Saturday? The car was there on Sunday.
Mikhail’s ride was [when I saw him and the car] Saturday (unless he did one on Sunday also), but his post is 1:19AM 4/30 Sunday…Unless @RR saw it on Sunday as well…
How did you conclude it was Sunday? It doesn’t sound like you saw it as per your earlier post…Please correct me…I’m just a dumb lizard.
That was the car of Paul Coleman, also with Steel Valley Trail Council, supporting the Raptor Row Ride. His car was there on Saturday, the day of the ride, and I talked to him about it. He brought in a table for the ride’s rest stop. He said he drove from Haysglen St on the ballast next to the train tracks, not on the trail.
Maybe people should get back to discussing actual dangerous drivers, not shaming parking near bike trails, and not language-policing.
On a positive note, one of my facebook “friends” got a citation for driving in a bike lane in Pittsburgh trying to use it as a shortcut to get around rush hour traffic.
I’m with you. Fat leaves no doubt about what is being described. Dwayne Johnson is well nourished but hardly has any body fat. Besides, fat is only 3 characters, which is very important when tweeting. All the best…
I agree with Paul about the language police statement. You SJW language police can go fuck yourself. People in America are fat. Yes they are fat overweight tubby pieces of car driving glutenous shit. The truth is the truth. I have gained weight myself when I stopped biking so much. You know what I called myself? “chubby”. I myself was a fat fuck at one time. I decided to lose weight. The truth is not offensive. It is the truth. You SJWs are sad people.
This over protective ultra left language policing SJW slant of this board is obnoxious.
And yes, Maybe Trump won, and political correctness is passe. It is you SJWs who are offended by everything that made that happen. Even real true liberals like myself couldn’t vote Hillary because of people like you.
Changing the topic.
This isn’t bicycle related but is dangerous driver related. Per the pg story a woman was killed on 79 after losing control when a driver bumped her from behind, and the police were contemplating a “driving too close” charge. Perhaps a manslaughter or homicide charge too? My guess is that the pg has incomplete information because it was written overnight and the DA probably didn’t have time to review the case yet, but still…
Here’s an explanation of the rules for deciding if somebody should face a vehicular manslaughter charge:
To be convicted of vehicular manslaughter in most jurisdictions, the prosecution must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that:
the driver operated a motor vehicle in a reckless or grossly (severely) negligent manner, and the driver’s conduct caused a fatality.
Reckless or grossly negligent conduct poses a more severe and obvious threat of death than mere carelessness or simple negligence. Recklessness and gross negligence can be shown in a variety of ways, such as driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol or violating certain traffic laws, like speeding, texting while driving, or deliberately running a red light. Ignoring a warning not to drive while taking prescription medication could also constitute reckless and gross negligence, and so could driving with a known medical condition that could affect your ability to drive safely.
So, from the description, it doesn’t sound like vehicular manslaughter fits. And homicide is right out, unless it can be shown that the driver deliberately bumped the other car, intending to cause harm.
This afternoon, 3:30 PM on North Euclid just north of East Liberty Blvd. I got passed within 2 feet by a tan Jeep Wrangler, plate number KCT 3021. Looks like she passed a bike behind me in the same way. I yelled, “um, no, that’s not how you do it” and pointed at my camera, which wasn’t recording.
She stopped at the intersection of Hays and N. Euclid to pause for a moment, but then continued on her way. I’d say older female with a short haircut.
For reference, I was to the far left of the lane, trying to prevent a pass, and waved her off once.
ZDF-2313 black Nissan pickup
White male, 20’s possibly intoxicated.
After we left the Ride of Silence, this driver ran a stop sign on Sarah St, aggressively passed us then ran a red light.
Car falls off railroad bridge by trail and sci Pittsburgh.
This driver stalked us for about 1/4 mile spouting off that “our excercise was causing him to risk his life in oncoming traffic”…he was a little dude with a beard, wearing a cabbie hat, white shirt and a black bow tie. I don’t know if he is a waiter or someone who had been out all night. The vehicle was a gold GMC pickup PA plate number ZJC 2206. We were on Fox Chapel Road near Squaw Valley Park at 8:00 am on Sunday 21 May 2017. My little disgruntled dude’s plate number and description will be turned over to the O’Hara Township Police. Any other suggestions?
ZJB-7047, black Ford pickup truck, southbound Perrysville Ave just before Perry HS.
I’m first in line pulling away from the light at Vinceton/Bascom; actually had a jump on the cars behind me because I wasn’t exactly first, as a car was making a right onto Bascom from the left lane, allowing me to squirt past before anyone had a chance to get moving. And I got right up to 20 mph within 10 seconds. Big space behind me, but not for long. Glancing in my mirror, I see a couple of cars behind me, a white? car, a red something-or-other and a third, larger vehicle. Nothing untoward so far.
Then I hear a horn. At me? No, the car in front of that line, which had gotten on my tail in short order, slowed to pull to the curb. The horn came from the pickup, who apparently was following the red thing so closely he pulled way out into the oncoming lane to avoid rear-ending the guy who slowed for the first one. I actually thought he was going to pass both those cars and me, too, but he pulled back in.
Rounding the curve just before the six-way corner at Perry HS, I see I have to stop for the light (that light is always red), so pull in behind a stopped car, and the red thing pulls into the left lane to make the left onto East, putting the pickup almost even with me, a little ahead. The window goes down (or was down) and he snarls at me that I can’t be taking the lane like that, that I’m supposed to be far to the right. Apparently he did not notice the continuous string of parked cars, including the one whose driver was standing with the door open as I went by. I replied with “3301c1, go look it up” a couple of times, but did not engage. The light turned green, and he screamed off past the school going 35 to 40.
Speed limit along there is 25. I was doing somewhere between 25 and 27, and may have yelled that at him, though reason was not this guy’s strong suit.
I have both front and rear video, and will upload tonight after some editing.
The similarity to the Darlene episode is not lost on me:
- I was fully in compliance with the law as regards lane positioning.
- It was not possible, let alone practicable, to be any farther right, because of parked cars and open car doors. (Also, business district; not legal to bike on sidewalk.)
- I was at or over the posted speed limit.
- The driver did not think I had a legal right to be there.
- It’s in Darlene’s district.
Suggestions on how I might have handled this better are most welcome. (Might be easier to answer this after I have the video up.)
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