Dangerous Drivers Thread, vol. 2

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paulheckbert
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An idea for Stu: Print out 3301c1, fold it up into a little wad, carry this around so that in a situation like this you can quick-draw it and toss it in their car window. This would give them time to read the law at their leisure. On the other hand, somebody might tell us it’s illegal to throw folded paper.


Steven
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Or someone might think that having an unknown object thrown at them gives them cause to return fire. Castle doctrine and all.


StuInMcCandless
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Well, we saw how useful it is to yell “Pull over!”

No, the only way we get this through to people is to hand them a written test at license renewal, and not allow them to pass until they provide the correct answer to relevant questions. I would not mind if we made it open book, but they have to sign their name to the correct answer, or they don’t get to keep their license. Applies to interactions with bikes, headlights on a rainy day, changing lanes to pass a stopped emergency vehicle, applies to four dozen other changes to rules in the last few years. Only if you know what you’re doing should you be allowed behind the wheel of a car.

The answers should be choices between:

  1. A preferred answer (5 points)
  2. A plausible answer (1 point)
  3. A wrong answer (0 points)
  4. Automatic failure answer (-10 points)

To pass, they have to have a minimum point value, plus no unacceptable answers.

Put that in place, an in a four-year renewal cycle, we’ll either have more educated drivers, or more people without licenses because they never should have had them in the first place.

If I do meet a premature end because some nimrod broke a rule to run me down, please name the law after me to get this change in place.


buffalo buffalo
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JMD 3583, black Mercedes E-class sedan, too-close pass on Gold Way, couldn’t wait to get past the dumpsters on both sides of the alley and nearly ran me into one.

Then he nearly hit another car head on because he couldn’t keep to his side of the road through the curves as Gold becomes Melwood.

Polish Hill pass-through driver, turned north on Herron towards the Strip…


Jason-PGH
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Plate: GKY-1603 (PA plate)

Car Make/Model: Black or Navy Jeep Patriot

Driver: 20’s-30’s black male, alone.

Location: Baum Blvd. heading towards S. Euclid Avenue (former Penn Circle), left lane.

Description: It was around 10:30pm when I was biking on Baum Blvd. towards S. Highland Avenue. I had just turned right onto Baum from S. Negley Avenue on a red (came to a full stop, signaled, then proceeded to turn right on red.) There is parking on the right hand lane of Baum in both directions so I maintained my position in the left-hand lane proceeding at about 25mph. After the cars ended, which is just after Stamar Way. One car had already passed me, safely doing so. After the cars ended, there was a gap in the parked cars, but there was a motorcycle in front of the Pittsburgh Institute of Mortuary Science, which would prevent me from going into the right hand lane. Also preventing me from going into the right hand lane was the fact that the right hand lane is right turn only, and I needed to go straight.

The Jeep pulled behind me, and gave me a, as Stu likes to call it, “fucking horn” for no reason. I whipped my head around and said to him, “you’re on camera, so think long and hard about what you’re about to do.” He wasn’t actually on camera but it would keep him at bay. He then passed at less than 2 feet while staring me down. He also passed through an intersection, in violation of state law. I followed only long enough to get the plate and call it out.


zzwergel
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I’m surprised no one has thrown water bottles off their bike at speeding cars.


StuInMcCandless
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We’re above that. Just call out their bad behavior, and record the plate and description.


Eric
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I agree with stu.

Remember, the NRA made sure that PA has a Castle Doctrine law.

According to PA law, this extends not only to your home but to your CAR and to your WORKPLACE.

If anyone has any reason to feel their life is threatened, under PA law they are allowed to shoot to kill you and be protected under the law.

In most cases there are no witnesses.  All someone has to do is say that they were minding their own business when you approached their car with what looked like a weapon so they shot you to protect themselves.

How many juries would convict this person? Approximately 0.


Steven
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I believe the castle doctrine is weapon-neutral. So if a driver feels threatened by that thrown object, but has no gun handy, they’re allowed to use another weapon like a car to kill the threat.


Eric
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You are correct.


andyc
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With the kind of drivers that make it to this thread in the first place, we already know they are somewhat angry and violent. (for whatever reason and probably not solely because of a person on a bicycle) When I’m not full of adrenaline, it doesn’t seem like a good idea to provoke them further.


cdavey
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@edronline said: According to PA law, this extends not only to your home but to your CAR and to your WORKPLACE.

It also extends to your BICYCLE. AS written for PA law, the Castle Doctrine indicates that it applies to vehicles. Under Motor Vehicle Code, vehicles are defined to include bicycles.


Eric
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Nice. Though a person on a bike with a water bottle is typically no match against a driver in a car or truck with or without a gun.  Unless they’re a ninja.

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jonawebb
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As much as I like to fantasize about it, everybody should PLEASE be aware that it’s a bad idea for a cyclist to get into an altercation — physical or verbal — with anyone sitting inside a multi-ton death machine, possibly holding a concealed firearm. Just don’t do it. Record video, remember license plate numbers, and report serious incidents to the police. Don’t try to solve problems yourself. You can make things worse and end up looking as guilty at the motorist.


paulheckbert
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While cycling, I’ve had empty soda cans thrown at me. This is not for doing anything provocative, but merely for being there, on a bicycle, it seems. One time I was picking up litter on the sidewalk of Glenwood Bridge when I had a paper cup full of soda and ice thrown at me and it hit me in the arm. I suspect that cyclists have objects thrown at them by car occupants far more often than the reverse.


Benzo
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I had a full, unopened beer can chucked at me while riding in Columbus, OH after an Ohio State football game. Luckily they missed and it exploded on the shoulder of the road.  Waste of a PBR.


Eric
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I went to U-M, so I could make a million comments right now.


Gordon
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It’s best to just stay calm and report the encounter – unless you are Arnold in Terminator 2!


greg h
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Hit and run at 1000 Grandview Ave apartments.  An older person (possibly male) driving a white Cadillac Crossover hit me and forced me off the road while turning out of the apartment parking lot.

Got it on video but no plate.  Contacted the police.

  • This reply was modified 2 years, 2 months ago by  greg h.

Marko82
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greg, I hope you are ok.  You might want to wait to post any more details until the police have finished investigating.  Keep us posted if they don’t move forward.


RustyRed
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This truck’s sideview mirror came within inches of my arm this morning. It was a deliberate close pass. He flipped me the finger when he got stuck in traffic further down Becks Run and made a u-turn to avoid it.

 

White 2015 Ford F-250 Super Duty

PA ZHS 9756

 

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bk7j
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Dark gray Chevy Malibu LT, license plate KDK 4876, buzzed me on the Pocusset pedestrian trail at 5:40pm today.

Yep, that’s right, they drove through the barriers clearly marking Greenfield Rd approaching the bridge as closed (although someone had helpfully left a car-sized gap in the barriers), drove through (and probably knocked down, I didn’t go back to check) the barriers clearly marking it the trail as off-limits to cars, and swerved around me when I stopped to see what that noise was.  I caught up with the car stopped at the light on Pocusset at Murray about 3.5 minutes later. Driver was a black woman with at least one young child in the backseat.  She turned right onto Forward.

Video:

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Eric
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Send video to police.  They should ticket this person.


bk7j
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Where to send that someone will actually read and care?  Is 311 good?


RustyRed
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Please tweet the crap out of that: @PghZone4 @billpeduto @Pgh311

 

(and also: @WPXI, or your favorite local news media)

 

http://pittsburghpa.gov/police/zone4


Eric
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I’d call the.police directly, zone 4, and tell them you have video of a car illegally using the pocusset cut through


voondebah
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JRK 8417. Green-ish Subaru sedan, middle-aged female driver with glasses.

Was riding down Schenley Drive through golf course towards Oakland. Approaching the blind right turn before Tech St, riding on the wide shoulder. Driver starts to pass me, but then when making the turn cuts two feet over the white line beside me (rear of car is even with my front tire).

Fortunately no contact. I yelled an expletive at the driver. She continued down Schenley Dr. and then ran the stop sign at the three-way intersection by Phipps.

I caught up to her at the red light at Schenley Drive Extension. Pulled up to her window and told her “you need to drive more carefully, you almost killed me.” She just looked straight ahead and ignored me.


StuInMcCandless
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75-3331e
§ 3331. Required position and method of turning.
(e) Interference with pedalcycles.–No turn by a driver of a motor vehicle shall interfere with a pedalcycle proceeding straight while operating in accordance with Chapter 35 (relating to special vehicles and pedestrians).


bk7j
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I’d like to get back to this happening less often to me. More than once a month is too much.

Passed with nuthin” to spare on Tilbury heading north while slowing to a red light at Forward.  Dark colored Subaru Forester, license PA HWW-9230 passed me like I wasn’t even there, scraping against my handlebars.  Asian woman driving with nobody else in the car.  Her front passenger window was open so I went up and clearly explained the 4-foot passing law, which she seemed oblivious to.  I got a nod and an “oh, ok” before she continued on when the light turned green.


greg h
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Here’s the video of the car that forced me off the road.  Police told me they probably aren’t going to do anything and it’s been two weeks since then without hearing anything so I guess they aren’t lying.

 

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paulheckbert
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Greg H: To state the obvious: the car driver broke the law both by failing to yield to you (you had the right of way) and for leaving the crash scene.

You could cruise the apartment building’s parking lot and see if you recognize the car. That might allow you to get the name of the car owner. An approach similar to that helped a reporter identify Darlene Harris as the driver that harassed StuInMcCandless last year.


Eric
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Whose district is that?  You could contact the city councilperson and/or the mayor to lean on the PD.

 

Or contact the citizens oversight review board.

Or contact the district attorneys office…


The Iguana
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Drivers in Squirrel Hill after pedestrians, too. From (NextDoor Squirrel Hill(https://squirrelhillsouth.nextdoor.com/news_feed/?post=54676863&s=&is=npe&ct=ne9VoM_KedpjK-Gvr5ZnPoJzKLTNAZyyBmZysOecgJNq9pM7EqLAGn0egnzgZct2&mobile_deeplink_data=action%3Dview_post%26post%3D54676863&link_source_user_id=2202978

Disgruntled Pedestrian Rant
xxxxxx from Squirrel Hill South • 7h ago
I was walking home today from work. On my way home, at the corner of Beechwood Blvd. and Forward Ave. I was crossing on a green light legally. A man in a pickup truck starting yelling because I was going too slow for his liking. Well let me tell you this, I have a right to cross safely and legally at that intersection at my pace! It is just too damn bad that you and the man in front of you have to wait in your climate-controlled vehicles sitting on you keisters for me to safely cross the street. I have a few points I would like to make.

Since I walk instead of drive to work;
1) I help to make sure that gas prices stay low due to less demand.
2) I don’t take up valuable parking spaces.
3) I help to make sure that health care costs stay low for my family and taxpayers.
4) There is more space on the road for you and your earth-eating vehicle.
5) I’m not a hypocrite or limousine liberal. I actually don’t just pay lip service to saving the earth to make myself feel better or appease my friends; I try to live it.
6) I don’t produce pollution.

There is no need for anyone to yell at pedestrians who are legally crossing the street. Next time, I dare you to get out of your gas guzzling truck and tell me why you are so damn special that I need to put my life on hold for your convenience or put up with your verbal abuse. Don’t drive in the city, work in the city, or live here if you can’t handle pedestrians.

I posted this incident because trying to cross that intersection as a pedestrian is difficult, and I feel many drivers need to relax. So many drivers are speeding on Forward Avenue. Those who wish to make a right onto Beechwood will look left to see if it is clear but not right where there are often times pedestrians. I have witnessed a few close calls at that intersection. Also, many impatient drivers making a left from Beechwood onto Forward. Even when there is a crossing guard, it sucks trying to cross at that intersection.

In no way am I excusing illegal pedestrian behavior which I have also witnessed at that intersection. I am also not saying that pedestrians are more important than drivers.

I feel better now. Thanks.
xxxxx from Squirrel Hill South • 3h ago
yyyyyy- Thanks for caring and writing a letter!!! You are on fire! I didn’t even think about the bike lane situation, but it’s true.

zzzzz- On my way to work, I don’t even try to cross at Monitor/Anita and Beechwood unless there are no cars. They get really pissed off if you cross there and make them wait. Speaking of buggies: I almost saw a kid’s buggy hit at the intersection I talked about in my post. It was not the pedestrian’s (person pushing the buggy) fault, either. My heart palpitations took a few minutes to calm down after that close call.

wwww- I love your sensibility and wanting a positive solution. Thanks for your suggestion!
ggggg from Squirrel Hill South • 1h ago
I agree. Don’t be in such a hurry, driver.
Mary Shaw from Squirrel Hill South • 1h ago
The pedestrian-bike committee of the Squirrel Hill Urban Coalition is looking for volunteers to help identify pedestrian issues and work with the City to improve the situation. Please join us, second Thursday evening of each month, 6:30-8:00 at JCC. See http://shuc.org/pedestrian-bike-committe… — there’s a button for getting added to the mailing list.


Altay
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MG2410J white police SUV passed me at high speed with no more than a foot of clearance heading north on Brownsville Rd near the Sunoco at 12:48am today. It stopped at the light to turn left onto Amanda Ave, which is how I was able to catch up to it and take note of the license plate. It bolted as soon as the light turned green.


buffalo buffalo
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Driver of this truck, a dark gray Chevy Silverado, PA plate YMP 6735, passed me at high speed on narrow Melwood Ave between Finland and the Bloomfield Bridge, then stopped, got out of his vehicle, and threatened me for calling him on it.

Truck last seen on Melwood dead end north of Denver St. Polish Hill, North Oakland, Bloomfield riders especially beware.


chrishent
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@buffalo, can you post that picture on Twitter? Can’t access it via Instagram.

I only ask this because back in April, me and 3 other people were riding in Polish Hill and had a similar encounter (see my post from 4/22) with someone driving a similar vehicle near where this happened to you. We were not able to write down his plate number, but it may be the same person.


buffalo buffalo
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Interesting that that’s not showing up here; you shouldn’t need to be logged in to see the image.  (Though, obviously, if your firewall blocks instagram, there’s not much I can do…)

 


buffalo buffalo
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20215 AF (Tan-grey SUV, PA Air Force? plate, older white male driver):
Dangerous, aggressive pass in the middle of the intersection of Craig & 5th, drove at an oncoming car to pass me on bike.

Of course, the camera I finally got mounted on my bike last week ran out of space not thirty seconds before.


salty
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Ok, I told a few people this story privately but I feel like I should get it out.  Last Friday, coming home after the Flock ride, I came incredibly close to being hit by an unbelievably stupid and reckless driver – just two blocks from my house on Wightman St.

I was rolling down the hill between Woodmont and Solway (street view) and saw two cars approaching from the opposite direction, between Wilkins and Solway (a distance of 400 ft, BTW). Suddenly the headlights of the trailing car were at a 45 degree angle, and I remember thinking “that guy is somehow fishtailing, he’s going to wreck”, and started to apply the brakes. Then I heard an engine rev and realized he was trying to pass the other car, coming at me head-on in my lane. I skidded to a stop as I processed this, then realized I was trapped by a parked car to my right and there was essentially nothing I could do but stand there and either get hit or not. Fortunately the answer was “not” – no thanks to the asshole doing the passing who absolutely never let off the gas pedal. But, the lead car must have hit the brakes, which allowed the other car to complete the pass. When I got my wits back and turned around, the lead car was stopped, slightly past me, and the asshole’s car was all the way at the stop sign at the top of the hill. I couldn’t read the plate from there, and the other car just left too, so I yelled some profanities in vain and went home.

I’d estimate this all transpired in 200-250ft of pavement which is 3-4 seconds at 40mph. I had my headlight (B&M Luxos U, which is bright and has a really wide beam) on, and the area is also very well lit by streetlights. There’s no excuse for what the driver did in the first place, and no excuse for him not seeing me – although he was following the other car so closely before the pass he was probably completely fixated on it. The parked cars to my right gave me no escape route – replaying the situation, the only other options I had were trying to deliberately crash inbetween two closely parked cars (yeah, right), or playing chicken by not braking and trying to make a right on Solway. Not only are those pretty outlandish but they obviously might have made things worse. There’s no way I had time to dismount my bike and try to jump out of the way.

I don’t think I’ve ever been in a situation before where I was aware I might actually die in the next second, and it has me freaked out. After talking to a friend on Monday, I forced myself to ride to work on Tuesday but haven’t ridden again.


salty
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PS: I think I may finally be convinced to mount a camera on my bike. Not that it likely would have helped had this person hit me since we have no front plates, but given I didn’t get hit, I certainly could have gotten a ton of mileage out of the video. Nobody who is not a cyclist is going to truly believe my story, but they’d certainly have to believe the video.

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