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edward m
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I bought a old building on the Great Allegheny Passage. It is beyond repair. Will be demolishing it next month. I cleaned out all the junk and started to gut it. Trying to build some rental cabins for trail users. Volunteers needed. Is in Smithdale 30 miles from Pittsburgh. Back taxes I paid ($1600)new deed is in my name. Is on Smithdale Road next to trail.My email Bluemountaindrivepaedward@gmail.com


mark
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are these going to be free cabins to rent? if not, why would you expect people to volunteer for your for profit venture?


joeframbach
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Somehow I don’t expect him to reply. Generally when people leave email addresses in forum posts, they will only respond to emails. Frustrating, I know.


BradQ
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Just to play devil’s advocate, weren’t some people doing work and soliciting volunteers for labor on the upstairs of Kraynick’s? That’s a for profit enterprise no matter what any of us have taken away from there in deals or knowledge or tool use.


edward m
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The Great Allegheny Passage was in fine shape Tuesday. I went to West Newton and said hi to Regional Trail Council. I want to build triple low cost budget traveler shacks. I should be talking to zoning or health department. The Junk Crew cleaned up back yard last fall and junk man Paul and ABC EZ are my employees. Junk Crew is to expensive they are fired. I may be camped out in yard in my green dome next week. My cell phone does not even work in Smithdale.


edward m
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And the Shamrock Bar is going down next month. This old party shack is falling down. Junk man Paul can have the oil burning furnace and the bath tub. I am gonna get the 40 or 50 yard dumpster next week. It is to rainy and cold to be outside all day today.


edward m
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I might walk from Mckeesport to Smithdale next week. I dropped of a broom and dustpan on Tuesday. I am gonna bring a hammer, chisel , crowbar and screwdriver. The brick bbq on railroad property is getting smashed too. It got sumac trees growing in it.


ejwme
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Sounds like an epic project, best of luck! I’m jealous of your demo work, it’s so much easier than construction or repair ;) I can’t volunteer, but I hope you find the help you need. Good luck!


erok
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fwiw, volunteering at kraynick’s is more akin to helping out your uncle


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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I guess it all depends on who your uncle is.


mark
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re: DEVIL

if this guy is giving away free cabin space to those who help him out then that’s a different story… there is a reason that people don’t mind helping out gerry: he’s helped all of us at one point or another and never asked for anything in return…


edward m
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Building permit guy told me no porta johns permited. I want 2 picnic tables to chain end to end. I got 2011 county tax bill in mail oddly with wrong house number on it. Ocean Street is the side yard been flooded twice.


Nate
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ejwme
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edward – the no porta johns doesn’t have to be a show stopper – you could probably pretty easily build/install a passive composting toilet – http://humanurehandbook.com/ provides instructions on the different types, and how to. THAT would be awesome, requires no sewage/power/disposal. And you could plant flowers with the results.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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Humanure.

Great word.


mark
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i was seriously hoping he was going to answer… i want to know why.


dwillen
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I can’t imagine there is a ton of money in renting cabins along a bike trail. I’ve volunteered an afternoon here and there to for-profit groups that I know will benefit me or something I care about (for nothing in exchange). Plenty of people here have a vested interest in the GAP trail and increasing its popularity and amenities one way or another. So why give him a hard time? I don’t get it. If you don’t want to volunteer, then just leave it be and let those that want to give their time to his endeavor.

I’ve never been to Kraynick’s. I’ve never directly benefited from Gerry’s generosity, but I spent time here looking for plans, talking to my friends, rode over to your house to drop off a box of screws. I find your dedication to his shop admirable and was happy to do what I can to help.


edward m
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Until I get permit to build new septic tank approved from Allegheny County Health Department I am not permited to build nothing. I had locals tell me I wont get a building permit because it is on flood zone.I am not making promises I am am not building permited to keep.I believe the septic permit first step is a percolation test to see if land is dry enough for a septic tank. I want my shacks to be better than the shacks in Cedar Park and Roundbottom/Slush Run. By the way are you aware Rivers Edge in Adelade charges $100 a day for there cabins.White devil has a lot of work to do and needs to borrow a ladder and sledge hammer.I got some phone calls to make I am planning on starting demolition Monday morning.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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There is a sort of stream-of-consciousness to Edward’s posts that I find almost hypnotizing. Passages like “White devil has a lot of work to do and needs to borrow a ladder and sledge hammer,” bear a certain amount of mystery.

I’m curious to see what’s going to happen next!


edmonds59
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Whoa now, before you start demo’ing everything – do any of the existing buildings have ANY kind of toilet facilities? Regardless of how bad they may be? I’m pretty sure there’s a whole different procedure for establishing a new waste system, or even building a new structure, (more difficult) than there is for “renovating” a building on the footprint of an existing one. You might want to try running that by the local building department.

You could do a remote toilet/shower building with cabins as sleeping rooms only, like most campgrounds.


edmonds59
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And yes, Almklm, I agree.


Greasefoot
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I recall some sort of weird rule for building refab’s that state if you leave at least one of the structure’s original walls it’s not considered “new construction”. The permits are different for new construction vs a building improvement. When you do this it cuts out the need to also get additional approval from the local municipalities for a proposed new building on the site.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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Depending on the municipality, etc., etc… but it depends on the ordinances. Building a new structure means you have to deal with conditional uses, setbacks, square footage requirements, etc. You do generally have a lot more leeway with a “renovation.”

It would be worthwhile to research with the municipality whether this type of cottage deal is even permissible, etc.


edward m
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Trail Corps headquarters is at West Newton and I gave them a job. There job is to smash the brick bbq from sumac patch. Weather forecast is very wet.To wet for camping I will mountainbike out to Smithdale Monday morning. ABCEZ been there before and my yard is large enough for a 18 wheeler.I smashed the ladies room toilet and threw out the mens room sink. There is no plumbing or electric or water meter. There is 2 phone lines , power line was cut last year. This old building is not connected to sewage line has a septic tank in back yard.


edmonds59
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oops, edit, mistaken post


Greasefoot
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If they are not going to give you a permit to dig a new septic tank you should be allowed to fix or upgrade the existing one. You shuold do some more research.


mark
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this is getting awesome. so how much are you thinking you’re going to rent these for?


Andrew
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Sound like a cool project. I am sure everyone would love to see some pictures.


edward m
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I did mention this building has been flooded twice. It is starting to fall down and roofing is in yard. Am starting demolition Monday. Starting with the roof then paneling and styrofoam insulation. Still have 2 air conditioners in building. And ABCEZ has not been called yet. Maybe Trail Corps will help. I am riding downtown and taking 56 bus to Mckeesport and riding to Smithdale at sunrise Monday. I am going to talk to RTC about placing picnic tables and a portojohn in Smithdale on trail.If ABCEZ is ready I am getting a 30 yard dumpster.


ejwme
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mmm… I am the first to admit that I’m a luddite, but this is looking like a substitute twitter thing, with a ready made audience for following. Just feels a little less like engagement and a little more like exhibition.

@edward m – are you just not finding time to read people’s responses?


Shawn
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Maybe he’s Amish? I went to college in Amish county and the local newspaper would publish letters from the Amish (how they communicated with each other), and they sounded EXACTLY like this!


Pseudacris
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I think if Flannery O’Connor were alive today and McSweeney’s commissioned her to rewrite The Little Red Hen for an online literary journal, it would be just like this thread.


edmonds59
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Wow.


Pseudacris
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^lmao


edward m
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I started demolition. ABCEZ delivered the 30 yard dumpster. Me and ABCEZ argued over what county Smithdale is in (it is in Allegheny county) close to county line. Junk man Paul helped me, I cut some insulated copper wire and that is his pay. Gave Paul a heavy air conditioner. It was so nice Monday until it rained. It is gonna take all month to level this building, my hands hurt. Will be demolishing 2142 Smithdale Road on Wednesday anyone want to help?


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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So far, I think Junk Man Paul is my favorite character.


Mick
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@edward m

Could you do me a favor?

When I see this subject, I think that it is a post about the trail, or perhaps riding on the trail.

Instead i see posts on your project, which isn’t the trail, at all. Sure you like the trail being there, and your project depends on the trail – still your project is not the trail.

Could you start a new thread with an appropriate title?

Thanks


edmonds59
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I’m still intrigued by White Devil. Junk man Paul seems a little bit like Eeyore, or maybe that General guy from Twin Peaks. I haven’t figured out who that mysterious ABCEZ is, maybe Bob. Regardless, I am enjoying this.


Pseudacris
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ABCEZ rents Dumpsters out of McKees Rocks.


ejwme
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thanks edmonds – I now have the twin peaks theme song stuck in my head. Very appropriate for this thread, though.

Is it bad that that song (and the show) makes me homesick for BC?

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