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here's a funny story

I'm riding down Liberty, in the bike lane, cause I'm on a bike. There's a box truck blocking the bike lane so I swerve around him and back into the lane. Here's some guy backing down the bike lane, so I hit him, couldn't really stop, kind of. He rolls his window down, screaming "you hit my car"

I get next to him, right next to him to explain the intricacies of traffic law. One doesn't have the right of way when they're backing down the lane. He doesn't seem to understand. He's in a car so he must have the right of way over some fag on his bike. I'm explaining the law to him and his foot leaves the brake and his car rolled onto my foot. People are funny. If your in a car you have the right of way, that's all.


timito
2011-01-21 16:24:16

wow, I really hope you got his plate/car make/model/physical description. Definitely make a police report.


rubberfactory
2011-01-21 16:27:47

vehicular assault


pseudacris
2011-01-21 16:27:55

no, it's cool, he was just trying to park his car, an Audi, I hope I didn't dent it.


timito
2011-01-21 16:30:16

I have a description, some jack ass in an Audi with perhaps a busted nose, oops.


timito
2011-01-21 16:40:25

I suggested he make a police report, I didn't have the time.


timito
2011-01-21 16:41:18

ahahahahahaha thats so funny. serious dude, your just on a bike, in a bike lane. Don't you know how to get out of the way of a car. I was so stupid it was also funny today when I was walking on carson and when i come to a cross walk I crossed when there was the little light up person on the sign. there was a car near there also and I don't know what I was thinking crossing the road when the were turning. I should have walked out into traffic to make sure no one had a turn signal on. WTF is wrong with us!?


bikelove2010
2011-01-21 23:21:14

Most Americans have the belief motorists have the right of way over any and everybody else, including,

people pushing strollers, old people attempting to cross the street at a signed crosswalk, people jogging and me on a bicycle.

I's a belief that puts lives in danger.

people actually die.

Last summer a mother was killed while jogging with her baby. Lots of people die because of a belief that i find completley uninformed and archaic, wasteful and selfish.

It's not really that funny but there's some irony there.


timito
2011-01-22 01:32:53

Ps, that was pure sarcasm. I should not have to run out of the way of a car. Ever. Exspecially when I'm crossing in a lined crosswalk at a red light. Today is just full of disgusting behavor.


bikelove2010
2011-01-22 02:29:31

Sarcasm, irony, my favorite forms of humor.

I love the irony of hitting cars with my bicycle. Accidents happen, people need to take care whilst motoring in their fantastic horseless carriages.


timito
2011-01-22 02:38:20

Didn't you see him there before you weaved back around the box truck? Wouldn't you just stay left and go around? I think this is way too much slavish adherence to the idea of a bike lane as sacred bicycle territory.


lyle
2011-01-22 15:02:29

Lyle, It was rush hour traffic, he was backing up at a rather high, and in my opinion, dangerous rate of speed. It's a good thing I was only going about twelve miles an hour and not twenty or twentyfive, as is quite possible and under the legal limit. What you may call slavish adherence I refer to as a principal. Some

fckn jack ass, moving in reverse at a dangerous rate of speed could have killed me or someone else and your adhering to semantics, ride your own bike.


timito
2011-01-22 15:31:49

Last week some girl was hit by a taxi about 100 yds from where this happened. I imagine she was slavishly adhering to the idea of a bike lane as sacred bicycle territory.


timito
2011-01-22 15:31:50

That bike lane is why I give money to Bike Pgh. I expect to be able to use it without getting killed or having some dick open his car door on me, maybe knock me into traffic so a bus runs over me. Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and adhere to my slavish ideas. In fact, delving into semantics, one could say I've become a slave to these slavish ideas. I hate cars and will fight mthrfckrs that try and kill me with theirs.

Then they can call the cops and I'll go home.


timito
2011-01-22 15:44:37

That'd make an excellent press clip the next time a cyclist is killed. "He probably could have moved left but he was slavishly adhering to the idea of a bike lane as sacred terriorty".

In other words, the cyclists fault.


timito
2011-01-22 15:58:47

Implicit in Lyle's post is timito maintained the bike lane even though he knew it would cause him to strike the car. I find that hard to believe. Almost without exception the bike and the rider lose that fight. Lyle is supposing that timito would risk damage to his bike and potentially severe personal injury? I'm not buying that.


atleastmykidsloveme
2011-01-22 16:05:57

@timito - From my mental reconstruction of what you described, it seems to me you had the ability to see this car for at least a full second after passing the box truck. Admittedly its driver was not where it should be, and admittedly he was doing something unwise or dangerous.


Even so, if you did have more than knee-jerk-reaction time, that would have given you enough time to remain left, as you were apparently already far enough in the driving lane to avoid the box truck.


In short, while I am not saying you caused this, you contributed to it by refusing to remain left enough to avoid it, when it was possible to.


stuinmccandless
2011-01-22 16:11:59

I swerved around a box truck that was blocking the bike lane in rush hour traffic. I ran into a motorist backing dangerously down the BIKE LANE,

Here's the fun part, the irony. I'm arguing my point on a bicyle forum.

Adhering to my slavish principles, yes I contributed to the accident, I was attempting to ride my bike down a bike lane, here's the dangerous part, even at twelve miles an hour I was attempting to move faster then these morons in their expensive autos and archaic attitudes


timito
2011-01-22 16:25:14

your message is good but your shtick is tiresome, @timito


salty
2011-01-22 16:25:31

I certainley could have missed the car by swerving back into traffic on Liberty, you know, instead of adhering to my slavish principle of riding in a bike lane.

Yeah I see now. I should have thrown myself into rush hour traffic, so as not to bump some guys, Audi. This Forums very helpful.


timito
2011-01-22 16:31:05

Dude, you haven't seen my shtick.


timito
2011-01-22 16:32:20

It's amazing on a cycling forum, I describe an incident that occured in a bike lane the members helped pay for and it's assumed I should have, could have done something to avoid hitting a car moving dangerously in reverse, DOWN A BIKE LANE. Yeah I coulda swerved back unto Liberty into traffic, maybe gotten hit by, or hit someone else.


timito
2011-01-22 16:51:58

The only thing amazing about this thread is how predictable it has been.


bradq
2011-01-22 17:05:11

definite thread of the week potential


erok
2011-01-22 17:13:02

I just needed a dose of irony, thanks.

Even on a cycling forum, people believe cyclists are in the wrong when it comes to accidents, they should have, could have, done something to avoid it, I bet the Girl who got her teeth knocked out on Sat. could have avoided it To be accused of adhering to slavish principles for wanting to ride safely in a bike lane, that's just funny.


timito
2011-01-22 17:28:54

I would hope people on a cycling forum would appreciate the severity of consequences which takes place when drivers are ignorant of the laws, and place them and thier disgusting machines above the law, above concern for other humans. Tell the child who's mother was killed while jogging. She was killed for adhering to slavish principles for trying to use the sidewalk.

Like good Americans you accuse the cyclist of fault. I should of done something to avoid hitting an Audi illegally putting my life in danger instead of adhering to the bike lane, YOU PAID FOR.


timito
2011-01-22 17:51:06

"so I hit him, couldn't really stop, kind of"


"perhaps a busted nose, oops"


Could you explain these statements? They almost create the impression you intentionally hit his car to make a point and then punched him in the face. That certainly isn't the case, correct?


eric
2011-01-22 18:32:41

I could possibly have lost contol of my bike or swerved into traffic, I bumped the dude, I'm sure his car was unharmed. I need to explain my statements, really? That is predictable. I must have done something wrong to have been involved in an accident with a car, right? I guess I was adhering to my slavish principles, the wrong thing to do, that's great.


timito
2011-01-22 18:44:40

Cyclists rights certainly have a long way to go. If the response to my accident on a cycling forum is so severe. One member does a "mental reconstruction" and finds me at fault. Another bike advocate finds me guilty of "way too much slavish adherence to the idea of a bike lane as sacred bicycle territory." Perhaps he thinks I should have swerved into traffic.

Others find the whole thing a predictable shtick and giggle in the back of the class, afraid or too ignorant to voice a real opinion. Good luck, Bike PGH.


timito
2011-01-22 19:25:14

the response isn't to your accident - it's to your flowery personality.


the sad thing is, if i cut through all your BS, i probably agree with you more than not - which i tried to say the last time you started this exact same thread. but, you seem to get off on acting like you're all alone out there battling against the big bad cars - feigning outrage at anything you can grasp onto as proof that everyone is against you.


be safe out there.


salty
2011-01-22 19:56:46

My persomality? I've never met the guy in the Audi. I've never met Lyle, Stu, Eric or you. Stu mentally recontructs my accident and finds me at fault. Lyle thinks "this is way too much slavish adherence to the idea of a bike lane as sacred bicycle territory." that sir is a ridiculous statement. This in response to my personality? I don't give a fck whether you like me or not. My personality has nothing to do with it. The exact same thread?, grasping for straws, salty, this happened a week ago. I haven't posted in months. The sad thing for me is finding cycling advocates that defend the ignorant and dangerous use of autos, using mental reconstructions and issuing ridiculous statements to find fault with the cyclist.

I'm an asshole, the guy backing down the lane is an asshole but with vague mental recontructions and character witnesses, who've never atcually met me, It's determined I'm probably at fault.


timito
2011-01-22 22:22:56

With attitudes like these among cycling advocates. It's no surprise people who murder with their autos go unpunished.


timito
2011-01-22 22:25:18

I think of it this way: if the bike lane on liberty (which I take daily) has something blocking it, whether snow or a car, I ride in the lane with traffic, no matter the surrounding traffic. (Which I did do today and yesterday) When road conditions are bad, most people driving in the lane know it, and are usually pretty decent.


rubberfactory
2011-01-22 22:33:16

I think of it this way, I ride my bike, you ride yours. Now you want to council me on how I should ride mine, you weren't there, you ride a bike, things happen in fragments of seconds. The guy in the Audi was operating his vehicle dangerouly and was most likely doing so illegally but since I have a shitty personality I'm at fault. I as a cyclist I made the wrong move.

Tell me please how to ride my bike.

Maybe the girl who got her teeth busted out by a cab could use some pointers as well, she could have avoiding being struck then.


timito
2011-01-22 22:45:56

Tim, I’ve met and talked with you several times down in Larryville. I’ve enjoyed our conversations and think you’re an ok guy. I’m not going to comment on what others have said here or what their motivations are, but your original post makes it sound like you could have avoided the car “sort of” if you wanted to. Now from what you stated the driver is a moron and was clearly in the wrong. You were on a bike, in the bike lane and going in the proper direction. But if you can prevent you and your bike from colliding with another object (even an asshole in an Audi), I think the smart thing to do is prevent the collision. On the other hand, if you want to move out of the way and then see how far your u-lock can make it into the Audi’s fender, that’s ok too sometimes. I just think the original post isn’t quite clear which scenario happened. Be safe out there in either case.


marko82
2011-01-22 23:07:04

Yes, I could have avoided the accident by swerving into traffic, perhaps losing control and being seriously injured. I explained this, yet it was deemed a slavish adherence to the bike lane as sacred territory, my personality is called into question, some guy named Rubber Factory has vastly superior bike handling skills, he rides his bike everyday, he could have avoided the Audi, Bravo sir.


timito
2011-01-22 23:21:50

lol


rubberfactory
2011-01-22 23:28:12

It's interesting to me members here will express, in my opinion, wild and outrageous statements, yet fall silent and are unable to validate them. Mental recontructions? Slavish adherence to sacred ideas? Gentlemen that's ignorant babble. Care to elaborate, Stu or Lyle? Is this really what you believe?


timito
2011-01-23 00:27:04

I don't believe this message board is limited to BikePGH members. I've also noticed that the people who post to this board seem to be coming at the idea of cycling advocacy from a variety of angles.


Although it's probably a fair guess that a lot of message board frequenters commute by bike, that's certainly not the case across the board.


It's also hard to tell sometimes from people's writing styles things like gender, anger, sarcasm, etc, especially if you don't know them personally.


I hate it when bike lanes are tied up by delivery trucks, people parking, snow, and debris caused by traffic. I also hate it when people (usually in cars, through gestures or shouts) indicate that they think I should not be bicycling on the road.


Pittsburgh is in transition (again) regarding modes of transportation. That's going to take some adjustment for *everyone*, no matter if they are on the "right or wrong side" of things. Most people probably work pretty hard for their mode of transportation, which gives them a sense of entitlement, which leads to hostility and endangerment.


[edit] I don't mean these comments as a retort to anyone: just a reminder that some forms of dialog are really hard to do on the interwebs


pseudacris
2011-01-23 01:28:55

@Pseudacris: Well said.


One other thing to keep in mind: with the exception of separated facilities (e.g HOV lanes, dedicated bike paths), every lane on every city street is a multi-use lane. Even bike lanes will have people pulling in and out of driveways, buses stopping, pedestrians wandering across, and all sorts of other annoyances. That's just life in the city, and all of us need to be aware that others *will* be legitimately using "our" spaces.


That said, egregious asshattery is never acceptable.


reddan
2011-01-23 01:55:38


timito
2011-01-23 02:07:47

I understand the difficulty of comunicating on the internet. Although I've never met Lyle or Stu. I'm pretty sure they're adults and should be able to explain themselves because honestly their comments are perplexing.


timito
2011-01-23 02:07:55

Is it out of line to want an explanation to such bizarre acusations?


timito
2011-01-23 02:08:00

It's easy to hide behind the internet, make some odd accusations. Then fail to explain the statement.


timito
2011-01-23 02:08:05

@timito - I logged 3200 mi last year with maybe 15 minutes of angst & driver confrontation over mostly dumb shit that I managed to stay out of the way of, but felt a need to get in a driver's face about. There's stupidity every day out there, ride smart & avoid the obvious crap, such as people coming up a bike lane in reverse. Crying about it here isn't getting you anywhere, particularly when you feel a need to put down the entire bike-pgh organization & community just because some think that you could've handled things a little differently.


Anyway, I could tell an "I was almost killed by an asshole driver!" story every day... maybe you're not riding enough.


quizbot
2011-01-23 02:30:11

Putting down the whole organization?, not riding enough? Infer what you want I'm asking two adults to explain some ridiculous accusations leveled at me from behind the veil of the internet. I'm sure your a way more awesome cyclist then I. Guess what dude, not everyone logs 3200 miles a year , some just want to get to school or work, some are hit and killed by drivers not paying attention. They must not be riding smart and avoiding the obvious crap, is this what your saying?


timito
2011-01-23 02:43:45

Putting down the whole organization?, not riding enough? Infer what you want I'm asking two adults to explain some ridiculous accusations leveled at me from behind the veil of the internet. I'm sure your a way more awesome cyclist then I. Guess what dude, not everyone logs 3200 miles a year , some just want to get to school or work, some are hit and killed by drivers not paying attention. They must not be riding smart and avoiding the obvious crap, is this what your saying?


timito
2011-01-23 02:43:55

puttin down the whole orginazation? infer what you will. I'm sure a way more awesome cyclist then I. 3200 miles, wow. Guess what, not everyone is so awesome. Some people just need to get to work or school. Sometimes they're killed by ignorant motorists. I guess they weren't "riding smart and avoiding the obvious crap" is this what your saying?


timito
2011-01-23 02:50:32

Putting down the whole organizatin? huh? infer what you will. Not everyone rides 3200 miles a year, some are attempting to get to work or school. Some are killed. They're not "riding smart and avoiding the obvious crap" is this what your saying. I'm not riding enough? Yes this probably caused my accident. If i was as awesome as you I could of avoided the whole thing, Is that correct? The bizzare statements just go on, you must be friends with Stu and Lyle.


timito
2011-01-23 03:02:44

It's easy to hide behind the internet, make some odd accusations. Then fail to explain the statement."


exactly.


salty
2011-01-23 03:38:33

this is incredible. and possibly self-incriminating


noah-mustion
2011-01-23 05:31:56

So you freaked out and over reacted to a bad situation on the road, possibly putting yourself into a much more dangerous situation or into a position to go to jail for at least a few days, if we are to believe your innuendo about punching the guy in the face. And then you come here and brag about it like a meathead teenager and we are all supposed to validate and applaud your stupid and selfish decision? You have a wife and a kid at home, putting yourself in a position to be severly injured, shot (who knows what someone has in their car) sued or arrested because you felt disrespected is beyond childish. Bike advocacy doesn't mean going out the door every day looking for a fight for most people here and it never will. Coming on the board and freaking out about conspiracies and cliques and pulling the "I'm the only REAL advocate here" bullshit is never going to do anything but alienate you, and therefore validate your stupid theories about how everyone hates you.


cburch
2011-01-23 06:20:14

Sorry to hear about your accident. How is your foot?


rsprake
2011-01-23 13:36:00

not broken, thanks


timito
2011-01-23 14:07:10

Now Cburch, voices his opinion saying I "overreacted" to a bad situation, I "freaked out", saying these things as if he was there. The dude drove his car on my foot. yeah I guess I overreacted.


Stu's doing mental reconstructions of the accident, finding it my fault.

Lyle finding fault with my "strict adherencne to the bike lane as sacred territory", that's ridiculous

Quizbot thinks perhaps I should ride more and "ride smarter and avoid the obvious crap." he rides 3200 miles a year, yeah, I ride about ten miles a year so that's an excellent point.

Thanks for all the helpful advice.


timito
2011-01-23 14:25:43

Now that everyone is thoroughly offended by everyone else, I thought I would drop in my 13 cents.


I think the key problem, as stated in various ways, at least for me, is that no one but timto was there, and in his retelling of the incident, it isnt quite clear what exactly happened and what he wished happened, like the whole punching in the face thing.


Given the existing road conditions around the city, I would be inclinde to agree with timto that after going around the box truck, back to the bike lane, then making the mental realization that not only is there another car in the bike lane, but that it was also reversing, that just hitting the brakes and "taking the hit" especially if the impact speed wasnt that high, was probably the instinctual thing to do, and perhaps the safer. to try to evade the car by swerving back into the traffic lane could have been more dangerous if there was a car there or if you were unsure if a car was there.


After the initial incident, and this is just my observation of the telling of the story, that both parties, timto and the drive could have handled the situation differently. Clearly the driver didn't care for the welfare of timto, more for the welfare of the car. And clearly, is unaware of the spacial requirements of their care and clearance required for as evident by running over his foot.


What i take from all this: I know timto hates cars, at least the overuse of them in modern society, and societies attitude toward all other road users, be it in car, on foot, by pedal, etc. I also believe timto to be a passionate person, perhaps overly so sometime.


Also knowing Stu, I believe he was just trying to figure out what was fact and what was here-say and exaggeration or wishful thinking.


I guess my point is, timto, please try to not take everything said on the board as a personal attack against you, most people just want to help, but you in your face style can seem to impair the whole communication process.


I do hope your foot and bike are ok. I also have to say something cheesy and cliche. You catch more flies with honey. I'm not saying you need to go around being nice to everyone, but going into a situation with a level head and not being argumentative is usually a lot more productive. I know it is very difficult to do this in the heat of the moment, but, just advice.


netviln
2011-01-23 14:58:39

+1 netviln - That's as fair a reading as you can get.


Now let's hug it out and get on with our lives.


atleastmykidsloveme
2011-01-23 15:08:33

well put,

It's a bit hard not to be offended when persons uninvolved are doing mental reconstructions and finding it my fault, another guy thinks I need to "ride smarter" or I'm "not riding enough"

my personality is called into question, you know, if I wasn't such an asshole,maybe an Audi wouldn't have been backing down the bike lane, another guy, and this really blows my mind suggests my "slavish adherence to to the bicycle lane as sacred territory" may have caused the accident, sorry that's totaly ridiculous, that one could use further explanation.

I suggest those beleifs be expressed to the relatives of those killed by motorists.

I'm sure their familes would be comforted by these ideas.


timito
2011-01-23 15:17:53

I have no idea what happened in your incident because your description of it sucks.


That has nothing to do with the actual incident. I have no idea what happened in the incident. As you point out, I wasn't there. Maybe instead of turning your defensiveness knob to 11, the conclusion you should draw from "Everyone on the bike forum is making ambiguous statements instead of supporting me" is not "the community sucks" but "I should learn to write better descriptions of what happened."


To give you one specific piece of feedback, almost every single post you make is larded with a mix of factual statements ("I'm riding down Liberty, in the bike lane") and non-factual statements that might or might not be sarcastic ("If your in a car you have the right of way, that's all.") As a result, it's practically impossible to untangle exactly what the heck you're saying happened.


In short, I think you should try to stop using sarcasm until you're better at it.


peterb
2011-01-23 15:47:44

Also, my post simply said that I'm familiar with the area, and I know how bad that particular lane gets (with snow and such). Since I'm the clumsiest person on the planet, I avoid riding in the lane when there's too much snow, like there was the other day. It wasn't an attack against you, and I'd appreciate not being attacked as well.


Also, my name is Erica, nice to meet you.


rubberfactory
2011-01-23 15:51:39

1) Nobody called you an a-hole but yourself.


2) You wrote "I hit him, couldn't really stop, kind of", and then attack anyone who suggests that you possibly could have avoided the accident. It's ridiculous.


3) Anyone who thinks timito isn't here fishing for this crap should look back at the other nearly identical threads he's started.


4) Finally, just let me say you're 100% right. I and everyone else here definitely do think that accidents are unconditionally entirely the fault of the cyclist. Please read some of the threads about cyclists being killed, and that attitude should be completely apparent to you. There are many reasons to blame the cyclist, including being dumb enough to invade on the space that rightfully belongs to cars, and not possessing the elite bicycle handling skills required to avoid the situation.


But, now I see how wrong I've been with my "bad attitude". I can't speak for anyone else but personally I'm so glad you came here and opened my eyes to the truth. You are truly my hero.


salty
2011-01-23 16:03:48

salty, I'm confused, are you saying that by riding the bike lane I was "dumb enough to invade on the space that rightfully belongs to cars" or was it my lack of elite bike riding skills?


timito
2011-01-23 16:12:03

In short, I think you should try to stop using sarcasm until you're better at it.


erok
2011-01-23 17:00:58

Reading comprehension, fail.


eric
2011-01-23 18:10:27

i didn't say you over reacted to getting your foot run over. i said that, if your account and innuendo are to be believed, you over reacted to the entire situation, putting yourself in a position to get your foot run over. also you have yet to clearly establish WHERE on liberty this happened, which makes a great deal of difference in this case.


if you really could not have avoided hitting the guy and you didn't actually punch him in the face, then why the hell are you insinuating that you did? are you trying to have some tough guy take no shit persona to impress a bunch of people in the internet? if you did do the things that you insinuate then you are an idiot for a) not avoiding an avoidable collision to teach someone a lesson and b) assaulting someone to teach them a lesson.


so either you are trying to look cool on the internet and telling your story in a less than truthful manner in order to do so or you went out looking for a fight and are lucky you only got your foot run over and didn't get seriously injured or arrested. either way you're being a jackass.


you come here and post extreme opinions and if anyone doesn't give you a freaking gold star you immediately start screaming about how no one loves you. this is exactly how you make friends and get people to listen to your point of view.


cburch
2011-01-23 18:47:40

So, how about the'm Steelers?!?


*grin*


bikeygirl
2011-01-23 20:15:11

this thread is now about vikings.




rubberfactory
2011-01-23 21:02:20

Have you ever seen Viking movies?


atleastmykidsloveme
2011-01-23 21:11:43

actually, no.


rubberfactory
2011-01-23 21:14:22

this will bring it all back together


vikings rule


erok
2011-01-23 21:27:38

I look like a viking. See the snow thread for proof.


cburch
2011-01-23 21:38:13

(@RF - Google "Airplane" movie quotes)


atleastmykidsloveme
2011-01-23 21:52:21

haha, I have that movie on my computer and just haven't watched it yet, to the dismay of everyone I know. Tonight will be a popcorn and movie night for sure.


rubberfactory
2011-01-23 21:53:45

That is one serious sword.


stuinmccandless
2011-01-23 22:44:37

If i was as awesome as you I could of avoided the whole thing, Is that correct?


Grammar deficiencies aside, yes, that is 100% correct (it's "could have", not "could of"... and don't even get me started on your misuse of "your" in your posts... when you're name calling random strangers here "idiots" or worse because they see things differently than you - and you don't know the difference between the proper usage of "your" vs. "you're"... it's just a bit ironic. You thrive on irony though, I know.


Anyway, back to Awesome Cyclist. Awesome Cyclist would have had seen box truck bike lane obstruction from about 300 feet away if not more (Liberty has nice sight lines), assessed the situation, then thought... maybe this box truck blocking MY BIKE LANE THAT I PAID FOR is going to be a bit of an impediment, maybe I'll have to leave my sacrosanct lane of bike travel and take one of these several side street options presented on Liberty inbound & duck out of this WTF kind of bullshit possible situation that's coming up so that I can have a nice day.


Awesome Cyclist takes the path of least resistance. Awesome Cyclist sees box trucks in bike lanes well before "fragments of seconds" pass. Awesome Cyclist is AWESOME. Awesome Cyclist also wonders why it takes 4 slightly modified posts to reply to one of his.


quizbot
2011-01-23 23:49:09

So, how about the'm Steelers?!? Game's on!!


*grin*


bikeygirl
2011-01-23 23:56:19

Vikings!!1!


stuinmccandless
2011-01-24 00:01:24

Awesome Cyclist thinks we should pussyfoot around the situation & pretend it never happened. Vikings!


quizbot
2011-01-24 00:14:45

This thread has all the hallmarks of classic message board flame wars. The grammar police was the icing on the cake. Now if only someone would invoke Godwin's Law we'd be set.


noah-mustion
2011-01-24 05:06:08

you know who rode a bike (at least once)? HITLER!


(i have no proof of this statement.)


hiddenvariable
2011-01-24 06:15:11

Hitler. Nazi. Game over now?


quizbot
2011-01-24 06:26:11

I think it went very well, "u-lock-as-a-weapon" was only mentioned once, and then only incidentally.


edmonds59
2011-01-24 12:10:39

Time to help me with me grammar and ride 3200 miles? wow!


timito
2011-01-24 12:33:18

I had someone help me with the math, that's almost nine miles a day, nine miles!

That is awesome.


timito
2011-01-24 12:37:55

Ya, despite my unforgiving cycling regimen, I somehow manage to find the time to take on special cases.


quizbot
2011-01-24 13:42:13

Here's Hitler apparently shopping for a bike.



I would sort of guess that he was the electric assist-type.


kordite
2011-01-24 14:18:03

Hm, I would've thought he would go for the gas-powered.


joeframbach
2011-01-24 15:14:19

Some people think that there is value in treating conflicts as teachable moments, and discussing possible ways to avoid them.


This is not "assigning blame", unless you interpret it that way.


I apologize for not being present to defend/explain my comments, but I do sometimes do other things besides these message boards. At this point, however, the topic seems to have grown fangs and snakes for hair and is best left for dead.


And yes, timito, everybody here is friends with Lyle and Stu. You would be too, if you had ever experienced our wit, charm and good looks in person.


Now, excuse me, I have to go curl my hair.


lyle
2011-01-24 15:17:21

Can you teach me to be witty and charming?


joeframbach
2011-01-24 15:19:35

Joe, one can't make the ocean more wet.


reddan
2011-01-24 15:25:08

It was fun, sorry for any offenses. I reaized I'm not a bike advocate, I'm an anti-car zealot, has nothing to do with bikes. This fanatacism was helped along after having a baby and attempting to push her down the street in a stroller. Do you know people are actually killed doing this?

People are killed walking or in some cases jogging, ouch. I know, they're adhering to the sanctity of a crosswalk as sacred territory, a bad idea, expecting to get the right of way in a marked crosswalk while walking with your child down the street.

I don't have any reason to be here. Ya'all drive cars. Carry on.


timito
2011-01-24 15:27:51

test


erok
2011-01-24 15:38:46

This Viking probably can, whoever she is.



stuinmccandless
2011-01-24 17:09:01

duplicate post, sorry


stuinmccandless
2011-01-24 17:09:39

....and it's back.


erok
2011-01-24 17:14:38

Dear god, the Hitler thing was possibly the funniest thing I've ever seen on the internets. Crying. At work. Thank you.


edmonds59
2011-01-24 18:12:17

Our town is exploring instituting a program for painting crosswalks, so i've been doing little research into relevant laws, etc., and that is the only reason I can cite this:


Vehicles Law of Pennsylvania

Section 3542 "Right of Way of Pedestrians in Crosswalks"

(a) General Rule - When traffic-control signals are not in place or not in operation, the driver of a vehicle shall yield the right-of-way to a pedestrian crossing the roadway within any marked crosswalk or within any unmarked crosswalk at an intersection.

(b) Exercise of Care by a Pedestrian - No pedestrian shall suddenly leave a curb or other place of safety and walk or run into the path of a vehicle which is so close as to constitute a hazard.

...

(e) Penalties - The driver of a vehicle who violates subsection (a) commits a summary offense and shall, upon conviction, be sentenced to pay a fine of $50.


Section 3543 "Pedestrians Crossing at other Than Crosswalks"

(a) General Rule - Every pedestrian crossing a roadway at any point other than within a crosswalk at an intersection or any marked crosswalk shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles upon the roadway

...

(c) Between Controlled Intersections in Urban District - Between adjacent intersections in urban districts at which traffic control signals are in operation pedestrians shall not cross at any place except in a marked crosswalk.

...


Section 3544 "Pedestrians Walking Along or on a Highway"

(a) Mandatory Use of Available Sidewalk - Where a sidewalk is provided and its use is practicable, it is unlawful for any pedestrian to walk along and upon an adjacent roadway.

(b) Absence of Sidewalk - Where a sidewalk is not available, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall walk only on a shoulder as far as practicable from the edge of the roadway.

...


As far as I could tell, Vikings are exempt from these laws.


atleastmykidsloveme
2011-01-24 20:12:33

As far as I could tell, Vikings are exempt from these laws.


Actually, if you examine the statutes closely, they merely say "anyone carrying an unconcealed double-headed battleaxe is exempt from these laws."


reddan
2011-01-24 20:16:01

The minimal $50 fine - along wtih virtually non-existant enforcement- make that a pathetically weak law.


mick
2011-01-24 21:05:17

How many times was the word slavish used in this thread? Whoever gets it right gets a cookie!


And now for Ben roethlesberger getting humped.




stefb
2011-01-25 01:21:16

Counting yours stefb, 17.




quizbot
2011-01-25 03:51:31



this seemed like a good time to post this. i need to make a version where he runs into a car.


cburch
2011-01-25 04:37:36

that guy is pedaling to the tune of the song I'm listening to.


rubberfactory
2011-01-25 04:43:14

That gif really makes me uncomfortable. He should be wearing a helmet. Helmets save lives, you know. In fact, if more pedestrians wore helmets while making use of the sanctioned sidewalk lane, less people would be dead.


quizbot
2011-01-25 04:56:41

i just pretend its eddie merckx. cause he can do whatever the fuck he wants.


cburch
2011-01-25 05:01:11

Merckx never took on an 8 block walk through Larryville though. Total lamer.


quizbot
2011-01-25 05:46:06

Colin, i am going to insist that you wear your helmet and full body armor when you cross liberty in front of your office building.


stefb
2011-01-25 12:03:12

Yeah, he really needs a helmet. A VIKING helmet!


atleastmykidsloveme
2011-01-25 12:56:16