How do I go about asking someone to move their bike rack?

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HiddenVariable
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oh, and i also like the three rivers racks for multiple bikes. the abundance of vertical or near-vertical protrusions gives a lot of room to lock without molesting the other bike overmuch.


nick
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yeah!!


StuInMcCandless
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I haven’t had much trouble with 3RR, but then again I’m usually using a cable lock and rarely encounter a 2nd bike on one rack.


edmonds59
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Oh, man, purty. A rabid Bridgstone collector would chew through that 3RR to get to that bike.


JZ
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I’ve never had trouble with the 3Rivers racks, either as first or second lock-up. It’s a max of two bikes per rack unless everyone knows each other and is leaving at the same time, but I’m okay with that; many places have several of them.


scott
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That XO-1 is still in my old landlord’s garage. I need to get it back and work on it a bit. I’m thinking of selling it if anyone is interested.


Lyle
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Did Trader Joe’s always have the 3RRs? I shopped there recently and found they placed them right up against the building, and I don’t recall ever having had trouble parking a bike there before… I think maybe they had a wheel-bender but I used the end of it.


scott
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No they designed the store without them. The reason they are in the strange location is because the sidewalk is heated and drilling into it could have ruined the functionality.

They ended up putting in bike racks within 6-9 months of the store opening.


salty
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Scott – I’m interested, what size is it?


Bikelove2010
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these people apparently also do not like 3RR

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edit: thats a really small pic. there’s two 3RR in line with the stop sign. with no bikes parked there. They are locked up to the railing.


Lyle
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That may be a comment on the placement, not the design.


helen s
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Or maybe it was full when they arrived?


Bikelove2010
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It is a bit of placement flaw, although maybe they need to be that close to the curb because of some sidewalk or territory issue . I rarely see more than bike on these.

The bigger issue is that people park cars in that yellow spot next to the racks. so your bike is then in serious danger of being doored.

it wasn’t full. I work inside that building and I saw them pull up. one of the bikes wasn’t locked to anything. this would have been a great time to have one of those “how to lock your bike” cards we had talked about in some previous thread somewhere.


Pierce
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On the note of poor placement:

Crappy picture, but the ones kind of “stacked” parallel to the curb are a pain because if you’re on the inside and then two people put their bikes on the outside racks, you have to try and squeeze through, which is especially annoying if you have panniers

Also, having them setup perpendicular to the curb would increase how many could be stored like they have at Whole Foods


Lyle
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Where is that?


Noah Mustion
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looks like the gine iggle in shay’sahde n’at.


Pierce
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That’s correct. No idea why the cab was illegally parked there though


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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“No idea why the cab was illegally parked there though”

Hm. I’m not sure i’ve ever seen a cab parked LEGALLY.


ieverhart
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I don’t think the black double-staple is really supposed to be a rack. I’m happy to be corrected, I always thought it was a guard from when they used to store shopping carts there, but now that they seem to keep the carts inside, people just use it as a rack.


JZ
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On the bright side, no matter when I go there, the racks at that Shadyside Geagle are full, so yay bikers. I usually go into the garage and lock up on the railing by the elevators.


caitlin
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i had my bike parked at the holiday inn in oakland last weekend a few days in a row. their bike rack is HILARIOUS. Becuase it 1) isnt bolted to the ground 2) is in a weird spot 3) is 3 slots and one of the “stupid” racks and 4) has a sign on it that says something about items attached to it possibly being confiscated by the hotel. I need to go back and take a picture.

I locked my bike to the bench and I also just walked inside with it and into my friend’s hotel room like we belonged there and no one said anything.


asobi
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I really like the artistry of the 3 rivers bike racks, but the one change that needs to be made in the next generation of these is the circle needs to be lower to the ground. You can see from the photo that most of the good crossing points (top tube and down) are below the center point of the circle. You want the widest point of the rack to be level with the center of the diamond frame, or even down as far as the bottom bracket. If it were this far down, you might even be able to fit 4 bikes on a single rack, as cyclists could lock their rear wheel and seat tube to the farthest point on each side rather than whatever point they can reach.


erok
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those giant eagle shadyside racks are ridiculously placed. one thing to note. the racks are either public or private. when they are on the street (sidewalk), that means that the city located where they should go and installed them.

when they are on private property (shadyside Giant Eagle, trader joes) the private company, contractor, architects, building manager, what-have-you, figured out where they should go and installed them.

sometimes they listen to recommendations, sometimes they don’t. generally a very frustrating experience because it’s something that you take very seriously, but other’s blow off as not that important.


caitlin
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sounds like you need a flow chart about how a bike rack is born. we have one for how a tree gets planted that makes no sense to a normal human being.


Lyle
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generally a very frustrating experience because it’s something that you take very seriously, but other’s blow off as not that important.

How I feel about bicycle infrastructure in general.


Steven
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I really like the artistry of the 3 rivers bike racks, but the one change that needs to be made in the next generation of these is the circle needs to be lower to the ground.

I noticed this statement in the city’s bike parking guidelines (pdf), FWIW:

“Also in accordance to ADA standards for protruding elements the wider, bottom piece of the suspended element may not be lower than 27″ (i.e. post and loop).”

So that might be a limiting factor on possible design changes.

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