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asobi
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Mick
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The article says “At this point, no charges have been filed against the driver.”

That is not the same as “no charges are expected,” unless you are putting your own thoughts into quotation marks now.

The news says the driver went through a stop sign. I’d say “failure to yield,” and I’m betting something more.

Unlike ground hogs or bicyclists, baby carriages mean something to politicans.


dwillen
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Makes me sick. I sure hope the reporter has it wrong. Blowing through a stop sign and sending 3 human beings to the hospital should be a many-years-in-jail offense.

I don’t know if it was a slow news weekend, or the drivers were especially shitty, but my post-gazette RSS feed was 90% traffic fatality reports this morning. The story immediately prior to this one was about a 90 year old man who presumably failed to see the giant flashing and dinging gates of a railway crossing. If you don’t see that, how would you see a cyclist or a person walking across the street with a bright yellow stroller.


dwillen
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Mick, they edited the story. It did say no charges are expected.

This is the PG article: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10179/1068892-100.stm

Says investigation is still ongoing.


Mick
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Ah! Backtracking journalists.

Sorry asobi, for any aspersions my post cast towards you.


caitlin
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in the article it says ‘the vehicle failed to stop’ as though it actually tried to stop. which i doubt.


rsprake
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When SUVs are on auto pilot they sometimes fail to stop…

I love this too, the driver clearly deserves to be allowed to drive.

Cope has previously been cited for driving without a license, disregarding a traffic device and twice for speeding.


rsprake
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Apparently the driver is 20 years old and has had 7 citations since 2006.


Lyle
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“failed to stop” is just the argot for “should have stopped but didn’t.” It could mean “slowed down but didn’t stop” or “hit the gas”, but it doesn’t necessarily mean “tried”.


Cullen
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I was watching a news report on KDKA (I think?) last night discussing the crash. The reporter mentioned that while no charges had been filed the driver likely faced several charges. So, it sounds like the police are waiting to file charges until the sort out exactly what happened.

This reminds me of several incidents in Baltimore where charges were quickly filed. The defendant then pleaded guilty to minor traffic infractions and because of double jeopardy the police/DA weren’t able to persue more serious charges.


dwillen
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The comments section of the article is disgusting.

He did not run the stop sign. He failed to make a complete stop.We do it everyday day. How about no jogging on Washington rd?

Failing to make a complete stop for a sign that says stop qualifies as running said sign, if you ask me. Banning running? This accident happened next to a park, and there are sidewalks all along the road. I guess those are for parking your deathmobile upon?

pedestrians are the problems in a lot of accidents. Maybe not in this case, but they have a “bring it on” attitude.

In what type of environment are these people raised that they can be this ignorant? Pedestrians are asking to be hit and killed? Ooh, I get it. KDKA page, comments section.. Mike P. got scolded for saying on the air that cyclists were asking for it, so he must have taken his senseless rants to the net!


rsprake
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Everyone blames the victim until it’s their friend, family member or themselves who is the victim.


caitlin
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yeah everyday i walk to work im like BRING IT EVERYONE! I NEED MORE DANGER AND ADVENTURE IN MY LIFE! I AM JUST WAITING TO GET NAILED BY A CAR!

do people forget they are pedestrians every single day? even as they walk across a parking lot to their cars??! I cannot even believe this. incredible.


ejwme
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well, you know what they say about unmoderated public forums… oh, wait. um. nevermind.


JZ
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Remind me – what percentage of automobile accidents involve automobiles?


Aaron S
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The crazy part is that Mt. Lebanon is a community that has sidewalks on nearly every street, and in which kids walk to school instead of being bussed.


Swalfoort
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Sad news. The woman who was hit has died. The kids are (relatively) fine. Driver is to be charged with DUI, per the news tonight. He’s also underage (20). If he’s 20, does that mean he is not a minor? I only ask because they definitely gave his name.


Tabby
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I was really sad to hear the news that she died. The driver already has a horrible driving record. I fear he will drive again regardless of if he has a license.

to Swal- he’s underage for drinking, but he’s not a minor


sprite
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I know that intersection well since i live in mt.lebanon, and anyone who doesn’t come to a stop and look around is insane… turning onto a 35mph artery from a little side street. If the universe were just it would have been a speeding Humvee in his targeted lane and not a set of unarmored pedestrians (but it ain’t …)


Chris Mayhew
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Anyone up for putting a ghost stroller or something like that? I’ll donate the stroller and paint. I too live in Mt Lebo, less than a mile from the site.


bikeygirl
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Just saw on the news that the driver has been officially charged, and that there will be a memorial at the site too that is being organized by the community.

Very sad…


Lyle
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That guy must have been flying. And the talking heads on the teevee say that the neighborhood is mobilizing to do something about the dangerous intersection. When will they get it? It’s not the intersection’s fault!


cburch
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That guy must have been flying. And the talking heads on the teevee say that the neighborhood is mobilizing to do something about the dangerous intersection. When will they get it? It’s not the intersection’s fault!

i think a speed sensor hooked up to those retractable tire spikes they have in some parking lots/garages a few hundred feet from the intersection could make it a lot safer. wouldn’t take long to get people to drive at or under the speed limit if the streets started shredding their tires if they went over…


bd
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Along the lines of the ghost stroller, I was thinking ghost sneakers hanging from the stop sign.


PantherHollow
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I knew Lisa. I used to work with her husband, Brett. When I first started at the company, she was so unbelievably nice to both myself and my wife, making us feel welcome. She was such an unbelievably nice and caring person.

The world is so much better for having known her and so much worse for no longer having her.

I could not imagine being in Brett’s shoes now with the loss of a wife, family out of town and left to care for his 3 young children on his own.

So sad.

They are having a vigil on Thurs night at 7:30. I’m sure that everyone would appreciate the support.


Kordite
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I recall reading about a speed sensitive speed bump based on an interesting material (or rather, not a bump but a pit, more like mega-rumble strips). When interacted with at a slow speed, the material is like a solid and the car drive over it without impediment. But, when the speed is higher, the materiel sort of liquefies and it’s no longer a smooth street but a hole, an inverse speed bump.

I’ve seen some mechanical speed-sensitive devices but haven’t been able to find the link for the gooshy material article I had originally seen.

I did, however, come across a UK autodonminionist article titled: “Speed bumps kill car suspension: Easy DIY Fix”

http://www.easier.com/4398-speed-bumps-kill-car-suspension-easy-d-i-y-solution.html

“Vehicle suspension damage has increased because of speed bumps. The risk of damage can be reduced by simply adding rubbers to the suspension coil springs claims a new report – it’s a D.I.Y task that takes about 20 minutes and costs about thirty-five pounds.”

Hey, here’s a DIY tip that will ereduce your risk of damage instantly and cost you absolutely nothing: Slow the hell down.


rsprake
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Another accident caused by someone who shouldn’t have been allowed to drive.

Turns out the man who was driving the truck that hit and put a wedding party in the hospital has paid $1,000 in traffic fines in the last 18 months.

Mr. Mains, who has pleaded guilty six times and paid more than $1,000 in fines for traffic offenses in the past 18 months, was in court on another traffic violation today.

“I am sorry that it happened. But it still wasn’t my fault,” said Adam J. Mains, 20, of West Elizabeth.

Mr. Mains said the vehicle carrying the family of the bride-to-be pulled directly in front of him.

He was speeding in a construction zone and it wasn’t his fault?

What does it take to get dangerous drivers off the streets?


alnilam
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Kordite: It sounds like you might be talking about non-Newtonian fluids. There are two types: shear-thickening and shear-thinning. You seem to be describing the latter – the faster you agitate it, the lower the viscosity. So if you agitate it really slow, it’ll be much more viscous, maybe even solid-like. Hit it fast and it softens like butter.

I don’t know of any household examples of something like this, but you can play around with the opposite effect (shear-thickening) at home by mixing corn starch and water. Put it in a bowl and try punching it. It’s like a solid. Then, try slowly putting your hand in it – easy. This could also be used for a “smart” speed bump, but with a bump instead of a hole. So if you drive into a pillow of this liquid slowly, you roll right through; if you drive too quickly over it, it becomes a rigid speed bump.

But really, regular speed bumps are pretty harmless when you go slowly enough over them, so this speed-sensitive sort of speed bump might not be entirely necessary.

Sorry for the science lesson. Tragic stuff, and I agree with the “don’t blame the intersection” sentiment. A good driver should recognize a “dangerous” intersection and act accordingly.


ErinK
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I remember a car salesman I drove with complaining that “police around here don’t recognize a ‘rolling stop'”. In the interest of minimizing conversation I refrained from pointing out that “rolling” and “stop” are actually two different things. I didn’t buy a car from him.


surly jason
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re: rolling stops:

a cop pulls someone over, says they ran the stop sign. The motorist says, but I stopped. The officer says, no you didn’t, you slowed down and rolled through it. The motorist wants to argue.

The cop pulls out his five-cell maglight and starts to tap the motorist on the forehead. The officer asks, “Now do you want me to stop or just slow down?”


ejwme
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surly jason – HA… I like that one. I ride in a car every week where the driver rolls certain stop signs. I call him on them. He says he stops if he sees anybody (true). I ask him about the people/cars/cyclists he didn’t see. He says that nobody’s there. One day I hope he’ll get my point.


Kordite
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> One day I hope he’ll get my point.

Likely the only way he’ll do that is to hit someone he was sure wasn’t there.


Mary
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My letter to the Post-Gazette:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10182/1069533-110.stm

I got really tired of reading “the SUV failed to stop,” as if the vehicle were operating itself.


surly jason
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Mary — good letter. I think the reality is that a lot of people do treat cyclists and pedestrians as second-class citizens. I think there are a lot of people who are so used to driving and “having their way” that they cannot conceive that other people are entitled to use the same roads, crosswalks and sidewalks.

There was a letter to the post-gazette shortly after Donald Parker was run down and the responses in the “open letters” forum was rather astounding to me. Basically, there was no acknowledgment of cyclists’ right to the roads and that if cyclists choose to ride on the road — as opposed to the sidewalk — they do so at their own peril.

I don’t get this selfish attitude — not because I’m a cyclist but because, in my opinion, I try to consider other people and how my actions affect them — whether it’s as a pedestrian on a trail walking a dog, holding the elevator for someone or picking up an object that someone has dropped and handing it back to them. It’s a basic attitude of, I think reddan posted something yesterday, “letting us be mindful and careful” of others.


rsprake
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Nice letter Mary. You’re exactly right. The burden is always placed on the vulnerable road user to be more safe. No one wants to take responsibility when they are behind the wheel.


ejwme
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Mary, awesome letter. maybe it’s a hold over from ship’s right-of-way rules… the onus is on the smaller, more maneuverable vehicle to avoid a collision. ‘Cause all of society has a maritime background… yeah, don’t make sense. :P

And another thing – I’d like to see us stop using the word “accident”. Oops, I didn’t stop at that stop sign. Oops, I couldn’t see from the glare so I turned blindly. Oops, I drove drunk. Oops, I was speeding. Whoopsy-daisy, somebody’s dead.

Oops, I didn’t think of the consequences of my actions, and thus acted unsafely without realizing it, and am totally surprised at the outcome.

Collision. Incident. Crash. These words don’t imply a lack of responsibility like “accident.”


cburch
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in hospitals they dont use the word “accident” when a car is involved. they are termed “MVI”s or “Motor Vehicle Incedents”. the rational being that while they are all incidents, they are almost never accidents.


sprite
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Just had a conversation with someone over the coverage he read in the Almanac (free south hills paper) which went to press pre-fatality. He said it was tragic, inexcusable, but understandable. I said “we will have to disagree. ” (I don’t say we will have to agree to disagree anymore.) I come to an honest to God footplanted stop at every stop sign I meet and I don’t even have power brakes and internal combustion… why can’t cars?


Lyle
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I don’t understand “inexcusable but understandable.” Or do I? Tragic: Unquestionably. Inexcusable: yup, got that. Understandable: well, the driver was apparently intoxicated, speeding, didn’t stop at the corner, and didn’t see the woman in time for it penetrate his alcohol-sodden brain. Okay, I understand that. Guess I agree with him!


Noah Mustion
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I think he was stoned, not drunk. Either way, he is an asshole.

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