PennDOT trying to ruin Butler St.

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Marko82
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I have to disagree with you on stop signs @stu. There are three stop signs on Brownsville road in Brentwood that are definitely effective in backing up traffic at rush hour – which discourages drivers from using the street as a pass through; and they slow traffic down on off peak times which makes it more comfortable for cyclists to take the full lane.

And if cyclists are running stop signs they should be ticketed just like cars – but only if cyclists are not being singled out.


byogman
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OK, so, throw PennDot into Google maps, it shows a location on Progress street immediately on the right after you cross the 16th street bridge called “Traffic Department”.

If you call the number listed it says PennDot north shore. I didn’t get a human and it clearly wasn’t trying to give you one, but I stayed on to leave a message asking about whether this is a PennDot location and if it were possible to talk to any staff.

Street level view is not promising. Rolled by quickly on the bike and saw that it appeared to be empty with building permit signs. So, could be wrong, I’m one of the least observant folks I know, but it looks like there might’ve been an office but no longer? Or, it’s tucked away and intentionally has no street presence.

I don’t really expect anything but I’ll update the boards if I do get a call back.


edmonds59
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Wow is that strange. I suppose it may have been the temporary location of a job trailer for the Route 28 work or something, but I sure don’t think there is anything there now.


paulheckbert
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@edmonds59: Well said. (“PennDOT, you are doing a horrendous job, … PennDOT’s prime directive should be to uphold PUBLIC safety, not DRIVER safety.”)


Steven
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The Facebook page for “PennDot north shore” makes it sound like a dispatch area for snow plows. The phone number Google shows for the North Shore address is also the phone number for PennDOT’s former downtown office. I’m guessing Google saw a Facebook page made by a PennDOT snow plow driver to indicate where he parked his truck, and made up the rest.


Ahlir
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1. I’m actually open about having rumble strips. But you’d have to use the right kind. Milled or ridged indentations are wrong for Butler, but maybe something like “raised textured plastic pavement markers” would work: you get the noise but minimal vibration. It ought to be enough of a signal to drivers on a (nominally) low-speed street while not being obstructive to cars and bikes.

2. Speed bumps are a bad idea, but speed tables might work. Every block or so might be a tasteful, pedestrian friendly, addition to the streetscape. Or car-only chicanes (with planters!)
It does all boil down to cars speeding, doesn’t it?

3. Engineer things to cause through traffic to divert across the 31st/40th/62th St bridges to that nice new car-friendly rt 28.

I mean, the ultimate goal is to reduce accidents along Butler. Right?


WillB
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No, the ultimate goal is to have Lawrenceville be a great neighborhood. Safety is an important part of that, but this is what we need to change – decisions about roads need to factor in more than just how well a road moves traffic.


Ahlir
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Well, actually, that is my point. Phrased in a DoT-friendly way.
We’re all supposed to be friends… right?

L’ville should be a place to drive to, not through.


Pierce
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This past year, PennDot had people either walking between Jersey barriers where cars go like 50+ miles per hour or along a construction pathway, with like a 100ft drop on one side. When I brought this up to the safety manager for the project, the response was essentially “oh well…”

I don’t know if it’s a personnel issue, organizational issue or what, but their construction projects regular ignore non-car users and put their life in danger.

Similar crap is going on around 885/Glenwood interchange, where, if you live there, (or pass through occasionally) it’s like, carefully walk through and hope you don’t get run over by a dump truck

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