Please sign petition to allow local police to use radar

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jonawebb
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Jason Hochreiter started a petition to the PA legislature to allow local police to use radar to catch speeders. Please sign it. The bill for this is before the legislature but has never been able to get pushed through. We need to support it to get it passed.

https://www.change.org/p/randy-vulakovich-pennsylvania-municipal-police-need-speed-detection-devices-to-track-speeding-motorists


zzwergel
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I just signed it!


jonawebb
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This is still only at 21 signatures. Please, everybody, sign it and share it. This is something that will really make a difference. Jason is going to present it to relevant legislators. He was told by them that a petition would help. He’s willing to do the real work, all we have to do is to get people to sign online.


Eric
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Maybe they’ll get to this issue after they complete the 4 months over due state budget.


Mick
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I signed – but I’m skeptical as the efficacy.

My father, who is no-fooling old, tells me they gave speeding tickets before RADAR was even invented.  If they wanted they could have 3 or 4 unmarked cars crusing roads like Greenfield Ave, 2nd Ave, Fifth, Forbes, Shady (and thawt’s just a little of the East End)  and giving out speeding tickets left and right

If the will isn’t there, the technology won’t make much difference.

 

 


Eric
Member
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My guess is that efficiency-wise that if that method was cost effective they’d still be doing that. Local pd doesn’t do vascar because it requires 2 people. Labor these days is more expensive than the days your dad talks about.


offtn
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How does vascar require two people?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Eric
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This might be my mistake. I thought that you needed one person’ to record time at each end.

Regardless, if vascar was cost-effective then departments would be using it. It seems to be hardly ever used it all. Also, if it was custom effective other states would be using it instead of radar and Laser.


zzwergel
Member
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Cars should be required to send out their speed via Bluetooth or WiFi so the police can use it in speed traps.


jonawebb
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Now we’re getting somewhere—up to 35!
Jason said the legislator told him a petition would help. So it might.


erok
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zzwergel
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Speed traps should be set up on Forbes Ave.(Uptown, Oakland, and CMU), 5th Ave.(Uptown, Oakland, and Shadyside), Penn Ave. (Point Breeze, eastern Wilkinsburg, western and eastern East Liberty, Strip District, and Churchill), Washington Blvd., Beechwood Blvd. (Greenfield), Browns Hill Rd. (Squirrel Hill), Bigelow Blvd. (Polish Hill and North Oakland), Gold Way, and Melwood Ave. (Polish Hill).


jonawebb
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Just talking with Jason; this is still in play. The house has until November 2018 to pass it (one year from when the Senate passed it).


Eric
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Don’t bills die at certain point once the session is over?  When is that point?

Edit: mybest guess is that they will die after 12-31-2018 since this is the 2017-2018 term

  • This reply was modified 1 year, 8 months ago by  Eric.

jonawebb
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No, that’s the point of my post. It has up to a year after it was passed by the Senate, i,.e. November 2018.

Jason updated the petition. Important people to contact are in the House, especially Philadelphia. Somebody here must know people in bike Philly groups, right?


jhawk1018
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Thanks, Jon for adding this important petition to the Bike Pgh message board. Please consider contacting leaders in the House’s Transportation Committee to encourage them to vote FOR Senate Bill 251 in 2018.

Contact information:

John Taylor, Transportation Committee Chair, and/or William (Bill) Keller, Democratic Chair of the Transportation Committee.

John Taylor:

Email: jtaylor@pahousegop.com

(215) 744-2600 or (215) 425-0901 or (717) 787-3179

Link to contact via his website:

http://www.reptaylor.com/contact.aspx

 

Bill Keller:

(215) 271-9190 or (717) 787-5774

Link to contact via the PA House website:

http://www.pahouse.com/184/Contact/


fultonco
Member
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I’m in


jonawebb
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We dicussed this at the Squirrel Hill Bike-Ped meeting last night, with new information from Jason.

The Senate Bill Jason referred to is SB 251. Here’s a link: http://www.palegis.us/bills/?q=2017/0/N/SB251.
Readshaw’s companion bill is HB 43. Here’s a link: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/billInfo/billInfo.cfm?sYear=2017&sInd=0&body=h&type=b&bn=43
In this news story (http://www.pennlive.com/news/2018/03/camp_hill_lawmaker_says_new_bi.html) Rothman says he thinks SB 251 can’t pass without changes. His bill is HB 2148, here: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/billInfo/billInfo.cfm?sYear=2017&sInd=0&body=H&type=B&bn=2148
As I read the bills, they all bend over backward to make sure local municipalities don’t create speed traps to generate revenue. The Senate Bill limits revenue from speeding tickets to 20% of local municipality revenue. Rothman’s bill limits it to 1%.
The current status is SB 251 is now in the Transportation Committee and waiting to be acted on as HB 43 (since January). Rothman says it can’t pass as is, so maybe his more restrictive bill will.
AFAICT no local legislators have taken a position on either bill. So it would probably be good to contact Frankel. You could even visit his office:
Hon. Dan Frankel
2345 Murray Avenue
Suite 205
Pittsburgh, PA 15217
(412) 422-1774
Fax: (412) 420-2011

For reference here are the contacts Jason gave:
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/home/member_information/House_bio.cfm?id=161
Hon. John Taylor
4725 Richmond Street
Philadelphia, PA 19137
(215) 744-2600
Fax: (215) 744-2605

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/home/member_information/House_bio.cfm?id=147
Hon. William F. Keller
1531 South Second Street
Philadelphia, PA 19147
(215) 271-9190
Fax: (215) 952-1025

BTW if you know somebody who lives in Philadelphia it would be good to ask them to contact these guys. They may listen more to a constituent.


Eric
Member
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If they make the take too low (a la 1 percent) there is no motive for the police to actually check for speed. It has to be a net + for the local community money wise, not cost more time in Police officer court time, etc. Tiny municipalities will have zero incentive to invest in the equipment.


zzwergel
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Speeding on US Highway 1 in Marathon, Fl is common as well.

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