Repaving Centre/Penn Circle

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Noah Mustion
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Past few nights they’ve started to repave Centre where it becomes Penn Circle. Awesome, and keep an eye out for irritated detoured drivers (there is no easy way around it).


Morningsider
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Until the lines are replaced, be prepared for Anarchy. I was passed (in a car) earlier this evening by someone in a hurry to get to the next jam up in front of Whole Foods. I truly hope he found some solace in that maneuver.


Noah Mustion
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…because there isn’t anarchy when the lines are there?


stefb
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So glad they are redoing Penn circle. People cant seem to figure out how to drive in their lane around a circle. Every time I drive there and around allegheny center on the north side, I get cut off within inches. Can they pave highland also? It is literally painful to ride on two wheels there.


Lyle
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part of highland near the circle is closed, so maybe.

Also, the rightmost lane of penn circle @ penn is closed. It’s stunning how few drivers can stay in their lane while turning onto penn. And then they have the gall to rage at others who do.


Pierce
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Center (at least from around Whole Foods to out past Giant Eagle) seems to be completely repaved. Now if they did Negley up to Ellsworth I would be golden. Pretty awesome indeed. (Excluding the fact that I rolled through some tar stuff and my tires are a little sticky, but worth the price)


rsprake
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I put my foot down on some tar and ended up getting it all over my pedal. Watch out for that stuff.


ejwme
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I’ll wait for the day when they turn Penn Circle into a real circle, rather than just a round about way of spitting unsuspecting motorists towards Point Breeze. In a car I used to always try to make that left back on to the rest of the circle from Penn, only to get lost in the back roads of East Liberty / Homewood while failing to turn around. I know my way around now, but it took a few years of “but I wanted to go *that* way!!! poop!”

Pittsburgh – where we prefer our tourists lost and our natives surly.


JZ
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ejwme: The effort is in the other direction – they’re slowly “uncircling”, At one time, that area was laid out as a classic grid. An overly-optimistic urban redevelopment plan imposed the circle traffic pattern and the associated islands. The current work at Highland and Center will get rid of that island there, and I believe the plan is to get rid of the one next to Target as well.


Ohiojeff
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The current work at Highland and Center will get rid of that island there, and I believe the plan is to get rid of the one next to Target as well.

I’m pretty sure they also plan to reintroduce two-way travel to the section of Penn Circle between Highland and the new Target location.


Lyle
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An overly-optimistic urban redevelopment plan imposed the circle traffic pattern and the associated islands. The previous iteration of pedestrian-friendly planning: Put all the cars on their own roads where there aren’t any peds, and let the people have free reign of the interior.


erok
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yeah, the circle is supposed to become two way


ejwme
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even better. (though I’m quite peeved about the Target, but that’s another matter all together.)

My Stepdad grew up in that area, and said the circle killed business there. That and some housing shenanigans in the 60s with a fire and relocation and politics and racism. It’d be nice if some of that healed. It’d be nice if this helped it heal.


erok
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here’s a shot of S’lib just before the demolition. 1955


erok
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you can see the church in the center right


erok
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here’s another cool shot


erok
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sorry, here’s another one. this is Penn and negley. almost looks like there’s a cyclist in this shot


Lyle
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I think I recognize that pothole.


dmtroyer
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erok where are you getting these?


alnilam
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I love old photos of places I recognize.

I think you can see Motor Square (big dome) in the first one, too. It blew my mind when I found out that place was just a AAA/DMV. It looks like some fancy old exhibition hall or something.


dwillen
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I’m guessing here: http://digital.library.pitt.edu/images/pittsburgh/

I spent maybe 5-6 hours one night looking at old pictures of my neighborhood. Amazing stuff. I’m glad it is online.


brian j
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The Motor Square Garden renovation was driven by an attempt at an upscale retail space, but the city wasn’t quite ready for it yet.

MSG also houses a nursing school….


erok
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dwillen has the right webpage


ejwme
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Looking at those pictures, and seeing everything that’s changed… it just makes me wonder why on earth there are any excuses for why it takes so long to change anything. in 100 years my entire municipality went from farm land to bustling suburb to pseudo ghost town. Why can’t we put bike lane paint on streets faster than 11 miles a year?


StuInMcCandless
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Wow, what a photo archive. It’s fun to compare some images from ages ago with a current street view, just about anywhere in the city.

I found a photo of Smithfield St looking northward across Water St (Ft Pitt Blvd) toward First Ave, taken 1936. The first three buildings on First Ave continue to exist, pretty much unchanged in 74 years. Here’s the current street view. Now go to that site, click on Images, type “Smithfield Street” in the box, and pick photo #205. Its identifier is “715.3630462.CP”.


stefb
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this is a GREAT website. i found a pic from chislett st from 1908 and there is just an open field where my house now sits


Noah Mustion
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i was bored tonight…. until now. thanks erok/dan…

has anyone seen that enormous photographic history of pittsburgh book? i need to pick up a copy…


StuInMcCandless
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“Pittsburgh Then And Now.” The original came out in about 1990. There’s an updated version, too, from about 2005. Kinda cool to get your hands on one of each.

I had a friend who happened to be crossing a street when the shutter clicked, and is preserved in the 1990 edition in front of the not-all-that-long-ago-torn-down florist shop at Liberty and Market. That scene alone is now very different today. Open space!


Noah Mustion
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Ohiojeff
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Noah, first thing that comes to mind is Junction Hollow looking up toward South Oakland, but that’s just a WAG.


sloaps
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Back in my day we had to spend hours and hours in the Pennsylvania Department at the Carnegie Library or in Hillman at Pitt to find these gems.

For example, this is where babies were made:


Ohiojeff
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Ah the Hump District. I always enjoy showing visitors where the doors used to be on the Frick Building before the hump was removed.


dwillen
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I am never calling it downtown again. “Take this trail all the way to the end.. turn right on Grant St and you’ll be in the Hump District”

Thank you sloaps.


ejwme
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I love how the one building was *planned* for the hump removal, and thus has windows that, when it was first built, were underground. I dont’ remember which it was. Ducky Tour taught me that.


erok
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it just makes me wonder why on earth there are any excuses for why it takes so long to change anything. in 100 years my entire municipality went from farm land to bustling suburb to pseudo ghost town.Why can’t we put bike lane paint on streets faster than 11 miles a year?

this made me lol. thanks for putting some of my frustrations so succinctly. i think it can be summed up to the cliche where there’s a will there’s a way. it takes a long time to build that will – unless there is some enlightened powerful person.


ejwme
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erok – I have lots of will. And I’m tempted to buy lots of paint.

Sometimes I think employment is the only reason I don’t spend all my time in jail or breaking stupid laws.


erok
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well, if you want to start a business that specializes in installing pavement markings, we could use it around here. we’ll keep you busy.


ejwme
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I know you might be joking, but I just did a google search – they exist. I thought it was just DPW that did it. Hunh. That research will entertain me for days. Maybe I could go legit.


Tabby
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come on ejwme, lets do it! We could spend our days painting lines, our evenings leading bike rides and our nights guerilla gardening! weeeee!


erok
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i’m not joking

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