South Hills Commuting Films
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PA Route 50, from Carnegie/Scott Township to Bridgeville. The ride begins at the intersections of Hope Hollow, Carothers, and 50:
00:43 Pulled over on sidewalk in Heidelberg
01:10 Resumed travel
02:15 Close pass #1
02:24 I catch up to the passer
04:43 Close pass #2
09:28 I-79 on-ramps at Kirwan Heights
10:20 Peter’s Place and Vanadium Road
11:15 Great Southern Shopping Center and 40 mph Speed Limit !!
12:33 Charters Valley Shopping Center
13:30 Entering Bridgeville
In the time leading up to the event, I will try to highlight some of the activities / participants for the Open Streets in Brentwood (Saturday 10/17/15, from 9am – 1pm) :
A musical band recently offered its services :
“John Egger & Paul Hayhurst are from the band Tumblin’ Dice, Picture from left to right Paul, John, Mark on drums and Jason, Paul & John are from Baldwin Borough, Jason and Mark (is from) Brentwood, we play sounds of the 60’s & 70’s.”
Photo available later on today at the Facebook Page, “Safe Streets South Hills Pittsburgh, PA.”
Short video (3:32) from the Open Streets Event along Brownsville Road, in Brentwood – October 17, 2015.
Road Diet for Corrigan Drive, in South Park, is complete !
0:00 – Start at Corrigan and 100 Acres Drive, near the Skating Rink. The road diet extends further to the North to the 5-points intersection (aka 88 and everywhere)
2:07 – Approaching the traffic circle
2:50 – Passing a pedestrian
3:16 – McConkey Drive
3:55 – Giving a thumbs-up to a construction worker in the center turn lane
5:12 – Sesqui Drive, where there is a connecting trail to the Montour Trail
5:30 – Childrens Playground
5:54 – Approaching the Horse Stables and the old fairgrounds
Ride ends at Corrigan and Brownsville, near the County Police Barracks and the Buffalo Inn.
Corrigan looks good. I wish we could put more roads on diets.
I’m new to the board, but just wanted to say thanks for this thread. I ride in the dirty South a lot as a commuter, so anything I can do to help with some of the previously mentioned attempts at making our streets safer, let me know. Every now and again I have to hit up 19, and you’re right, rush hour is no time to attempt it! A bit like taking your own life in your hands. Anyway, thanks for the thread. If I get around to filming some of my commute, I’ll post here too if that’s alright.
Did you see the traffic backups on corrigan! So terrible! This was such a bad idea! How will people get to the eat n park on library road now! *end sarcasm*
Thanks guys, for your comments.
Benzo, I don’t think Pasta Too is hurting either. We’ll find out, tomorrow night, when there is a free concert, what traffic will be like. Maybe some folks will think, hey, I should have biked to the concert! There is a nice sports bar, across Brownsville from the stage, where one can enjoy a cold beer while the traffic dissipates.
@jfreyer28 feel free to post any videos you may record.
Yeah, I really hope this is well received, at least by park users. I’m curious as to how this will be perceived by walkers / runners and how it affects them as well due to the changes in shoulders in parts of the park. We saw at least two pedestrians walking in the bike lane in the video.
It would be nice if they actually connected the pedestrian path to the sidewalk and crosswalk at baptist road / library road intersection, it’s just a weird disconnect there according to google street view, but I’m not sure if it was changed much during the re-striping.
Two pedestrians walking in the southbound Corrigan Drive bike lane is about the usual number, in my experience. What stands out to me in the video is the lack of northbound cyclists in the southbound bike lane, now that there’s a northbound bike lane too. (And buffers for the bike lanes, and new paving! Can’t wait to ride it.)
Improving the cyclist/pedestrian connection from Corrigan to Baptist/Library will take more than restriping, unfortunately. Curbs would need to move.
Regis Malady Bridge, Route 51 South to Elizabeth, PA
There is a pedestrian walkway but it was early on a Saturday morning.
The bike path just ends just short of the 5 points (Baptist / Library Roads) area you describe. I’m not when, if ever, we’ll see any bike friendly infrastructure along the roads leading into the park.
Traffic-calmed street – Old Washington Road, Peters Township, PA
(Seems to be taking longer than usual for You Tube to process this one. Should be viewable shortly.)
- This reply was modified 2 years, 8 months ago by fultonco.
Why is the a stop sign on this roundabout?
Blairmont Dr. and Devonwood Dr.
- This reply was modified 2 years, 8 months ago by zzwergel.
Corrigan Dr. used to look like Panther Hollow Rd. with a shoulder!
I don’t know for sure but the stop signs are on Blairmont and are perhaps remnants from before the traffic circle was installed. Devonwood is the main street, leading to US-19. For many, the traffic circle is decorative. Some do not slow down and I’ve seen several people turn left or right, without going around the circle. Scary. I said something to a couple of them and their look is a cross between bewilderment and why is this nut talking to me? I think a significant number of people do not know how to use these traffic circles.
With regard to Corrigan Drive, the old road design was done to accommodate traffic back in the days of the Allegheny County Fair. This new alignment is really nice. I hope someday, it will connect to other roads. There is a connection to the Montour Trail but it is not well marked and neither the county or the trail council seem interested in making it more visible. We lose out on a lot of opportunities with our outlook, sometimes. Some say it is because there is a big hill to go up and over to make the connection. However, anytime I ride it, I see other users, especially walkers and runners. I don’t think the trail council or the county should be making such judgment calls. The connection was made. Let more people know it exists.
It would be better if they put up signs, but mentioned the climb on them . Something like “Max 2% grade over 0.7 miles” [numbers invented] maybe. Yes, there’s a hill, but every other route from the park to the trail seems to have a hill or two too, plus cars.
Here is one:
0:12 —- Departing South Bank T and South Busway station.
1:05 —- Taking snow-covered gravel path bridge across Saw Mill Run.
1:22 —- Dismounting and carying bike across bridge and up the steps
2:06 —- Activating crosswalk button at Midwood Ave.
2:29 —- I Mount, walk signal comes on. I turn Right onto Saw Mill Run Blvd.
2:38 —- I am up to speed on Saw Mill Run Blvd., taking the rightmost lane.
3:16 —- First car passes properly
3:19 —- Short horn beep.
3:51 —- Approaching Englert St.
4:09 —- First semi-close pass.
4:33 —- Stopping for red light at Overbrook kBlvd.
5:39 —- Start moving again
5:54 —- Up to speed, approaching Overbrook Blvd.
5:58 —- Approaching Maytide St.
6:07 —- Looking for traffic in next lane left.
6:13 —- Changing lanes.
6:30 —- Approaching Glenbury St./Library Rd.
6:43 —- Turning onto Hillview St.
Repost. I am in the process of fixing the fisheye distortion from using a GoPRO camera. I just processes the video from the last post.
@erok, Please delete the previous post.
I rode from the Rite-Aid on Saw Mill Run Blvd. to Library Station stopping for lunch at the Arby’s on Library Rd. in Bethel Park. Here are the two videos I made.
Speaking of Castle Shannon, Where is 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th Streets? There seems to be a 6th St., but no other numbered streets.
- Early Castle Shannon resident David Sixth lent his name to that street.
- In 1917, robbers made off with $18,500 along with six city streets. Only one was later recovered.
- Perverse city founders set out to mess with Benford’s Law.
(A number of these theories are actually correct. That number is zero.)
If you prefer facts, you can see the other numbered streets on this 1905 map. There are a few traces of those streets still. For instance, the dead-end Coveton Street was once 4th Street. Those old streets would have been pretty steep, so perhaps that helped lead to them falling into disuse.
There still is no 3rd St., But there was an Elwyn Ave.
I guess the Pittsburgh & Castle Shannon R.R is the present day T as well. Library Rd. was called Township Rd. which seems to have been a common name for various different roads in the region. another “Township Rd.” was Negley Run Blvd.
Interesting stuff. Sixth is a steep climb. Some of the streets branching off and others running parallel to it will test one’s mettle.
@fultonco, Chestnut St. was a tough climb. For that reason, I did not stop at the stop sign before the tracks. I did, however, jump off the bike and walked up the hill to Poplar Ave.
Did I avoid any really treacherous sections of Library Rd. by taking the back streets in Castle Shannon?
That is some tough riding, Z, back in that neighborhood. And, yes, you did avoid a very busy stretch of Route 88, which does not have much room for cyclists or pedestrian.
Are there any other sections I could have avoided without going too far out of the way?
Maybe a little out of scope, but any tips on safest route into Southpointe business park? Most of commute is on Montour trail, but the last leg into the park is always a little sketchy… Thanks!
There was a plan for a connector trail from the Montour to Southpointe, before Frank Lunwin passed away. I am not sure what is the current status of this plan. I’ll see what I can find out. I suppose you are currently going as far as Tandem Connection and riding up the Morganza Road hill to Southpointe?
My board contact replied quickly: “…the latest is Cecil Township is still trying to raise the funds since its not an MTC project. The access is right near the trail, where it goes over 79, toward the garage.” I believe he means under 79 and near the Kurnick Garage, which is about a mile from Tandem Connection.
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Thanks for the quick reply, and the information from your contact at the board. You’re right, I’ve been bailing the trail at Tandem and heading up Morganza. But the shoulder is very rough, and I expect it will be even worse after this winter.
When your contact wrote “the access is right near the trail”…did they mean “proposed access”, or something currently there?
After posting my question this morning, I took a look at the map. I think until there is a better solution, I’ll keep on rolling past Tandem connection and hop on Papp Rd to Klinger. Adds another 2 miles or so, but likely much safer.
Lots of folks work in the SP complex, and traffic is a nightmare leaving around 5p. I wonder how many folks like me live within striking distance of the Montour trail and would consider biking if that connector ever got finished….
Yes, it is only a proposed path at this point. I believe some of the retired guys that work on the trail have moved some big rocks so you can start to see where the connector will eventually go. The Papp Road options sounds like the way to go. I’m always a fan of the road less traveled, even if it means a little more distance. The connector will get done. The political will seems to be there and Southpointe sees it as a benefit to the complex. Good luck in your travels!
Thanks again for the information and quick response! Take care.
I will try to get some video in the South Hills and upload them to YouTube.
Thanks Z, for this latest film.
I ride part of your route, frequently. Instead of turning right on Highland, I usually continue on Milford to the top of the hill. At the crest (Meadowbrook), I continue straight on Milford to Strathmore. There, I turn right and continue to a right on Graeser and a left on Spartan. From Spartan, I turn right on Graeser and go down the hill. At the stop sign, I walk the bike across the tracks and on the pedestrian pathway (with steps) and come out on Donati, where I turn left. I take Donati to Fort Couch and turn right. The South Hills Village Station is approximately a quarter mile up a short grade. This way avoids most of those busy roads you were on. The exception is Fort Couch, but… from Donati, if the traffic gets to you, the sidewalk can be used ’til you get to Pro Bikes. There is almost never anyone walking on it. You can go into their lot, follow it around and there is a light. When green, go straight ahead on Village Drive and the Station is on your left. I think you will find this route to be a bit less stressful.
The stretch at the very beginning of your video, on Milford, between Washington Junction and Hillcrest Drive is pretty tough at rush hour. Drivers go fast, they can’t wait to get past you, and they endanger the cyclist, the oncoming drivers, and themselves. Your video actually demonstrated this maneuver, a bit further on, at approximately 03:19. There a second car passed you even though there was an unsafe distance of the oncoming car. That driver lucked out because the oncoming car was turning at Casswell but that wasn’t known that when the pass was begun. I’ve seen oncoming drivers have to come to a complete stop and try to get off the road, which really doesn’t have any place to get off, to try and avoid a person making a reckless and un-necessary pass of a bicyclist.
Many drivers do not stop at the sign at Hillcrest. I’ve had other drivers try to pass me under the trolley overpass immediately after the station. Milford curves to the left and the oncoming traffic cannot be seen. More than once, I’ve had to wave my left arm frantically to get the pass aborted. One driver ignored me and almost ended up in a head on collision. Most of the people doing this do not live in the neighborhood. They are using this route to avoid a few stop lights on Route 88. I have never seen a police officer or any sort of regulatory activity there. Our local police force should be protecting us but there seems to be no sense of urgency. People should be able to walk and bike Milford Drive but most do not because it is not safe.
I was on Milford Dr. today as well, I did a ride from the Rite-Aid in Castle Shannon near the Arlington T stop (Had to alight at Castle Shannon and bike to Rite-Aid via Castle Shannon Blvd., Mt. Lebanon Blvd., and Cooke Lane.) to Library Station. I will upload video once its done processing on the computer.
From Rite-Aid parking lot:
- L to Cooke Lane.
- R. to Castle Shannon Blvd.
- R. to Willow Ave.
- L. to Smith Rd. (Cross tracks)
- R. to Library Rd.
- R. to Milford Dr.
- L. to Brady Pl.
- R. to Longcrest Ave.
- L. to Edwards St.
- R. to Bethel Church Rd
- Immediately L. to N. Lightwood Ave.
- Straight onto W. Library Ave.
- R. to Mesta St.*
- L. to N. Pennsylvania Ave.*
- L. to South Park Rd.
- L. to Florida Ave.*
- L. to W. Munroe St. (Cross tracks)*
- R. to Brightwood Rd.
- R. to Library Rd.
- R. to Trax Rd.**
- L. to 1st Ave. Turn around at dead end**
- go back to Library Rd. and turn right.**
- L. to Brownsville Rd.L. to Pleasant St. (Cross tracks)R. into Library Park and Ride lot.
*Could have left these steps out to avoid steep hills.
** Just exploring the neighborhood, could have left out.
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