What's up with the south end of Hot Metal?

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reddan
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Haven’t seen it in person, but my coworker just came in with a couple of pictures. There are some signs indicating that bikes can’t use the sidewalk, plus a set of barricades blocking the sidewalk by the driveway next to the American Eagle building. The barricades are arranged such that one could walk through them, but riding would be really tough. Looks like the goal is to force cyclists coming off the walkway to immediately get on Hot Metal St or Water St, rather than taking the sidewalk in front of the AE building to hop onto Water via the driveway.

According to my coworker, the barricades have no official signage. Is it legit for a sidewalk to be arbitrarily blocked like that?

Anyone got the scoop?


joeframbach
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When riding from the SSW to Oakland, I always hop on the sidewalk early instead of getting hit by a car at the intersection. I will continue to hop that curb.


Willie
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Yea i really do not feel safe riding over the hot metal bridge. I will continue to take the sidewalk also. I have a related story. Over the weekend I took the sidewalk over the FT pitt bridge I think it was.(from point park to the other incline)Well they where working on the road over the weekend I guess and blocked the sidewalk with signs. It was pretty much not passable with bikes. I had to move all the sand bags and turn the sign enough to get 2 bikes past it. Anyway as I came over the same walkway on monday afternoon on my way home form work I noticed the sign was gone. I then looked over the edge and saw it down along the edge of the river. I am guessing someone wasn’t as patient as me.


Ohiojeff
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According to my coworker, the barricades have no official signage. Is it legit for a sidewalk to be arbitrarily blocked like that?

Seems like that would be good question for 311 or Mr. Patchen. They’ve blocked the whole sidewalk right at the bridge?


reddan
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No, the blockage is at the edge of the driveway cut into the sidewalk, 75 feet down along Water St.

From the bridge, you can still immediately get off the sidewalk at the intersection of Hot Metal and Water.


erok
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i know AE has been complaining, legitimately, that cyclists are making it dangerous for people coming out of their building. surprise surprise ye people who designed the HMB intersection there.


Kordite
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And the “trail” on the other side of the street. You ride on it and then need to make a 90 degree turn into traffic to cross the intersection and then make another 90 degree turn to get back onto the trail. I can ride in the street and avoid that but someone in a wheelchair or otherwise using the ramps is forced to go into traffic rather than crossing as they should. What pinhead designed that?

And, yes, the intersection itself is also quite awful. That whole section still needs a lot of work.


salty
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So, AE builds their building right on top of the existing trail, doesn’t offer an alternative, and then complains about bikes. It’s almost poetic.


Marko82
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I think the car traffic coming southbound over the bridge should have a no-turn-on-red sign at water st. This would make it much less hazardous jumping on Water st. at the intersection. As a side note, out of courtesy to pedestrians I try not to ride on the sidewalk if I can help it. They think of bikes like we thing of cars – they go too fast and don’t give enough room when they pass.

Without having seen the barriers mentioned at AE, they better be ADA complient…


scott
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I’d blame the trail/bridge designers over AE. That “merge” at that end is terrible and there were absolutely no accommodations made for the hundreds of people who use this everyday. It’s like they just threw their hands up and gave up. As a result trail riders want to stay on the sidewalk and this conflicts with walkers. Hopefully this is just a temporary solution while a nicer solution is devised.


edmonds59
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+1 Salty

I rode through there on Saturday, and the lack of clarity of where all the users are supposed to be in that whole area really struck me, since it was really busy.

Who the heck DID design that area, developers, city, consultants? Whoever, it needs to be revised.


salty
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Not sure if I got my point across properly – I didn’t really ride down there before the buildings went up, but the google maps satellite view still shows the old trail, and it looks to me like all of this was much less of an issue back then.

So, they plop a building on the trail and don’t make any allowances for bikes. I don’t know who is at fault but that obviously shouldn’t have been allowed to happen.


erok
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that intersection is the Doughboy Square of the trails. the only difference is that the trail was designed in the past few years, from scratch, when they should have known better. you’d expect something like that when it was an afterthought. oh i guess i answered my own statement.


rsprake
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There is no trail there, it’s a sidewalk. The trail ends way before the AE building and cyclists should be using the street until either they go across the Hot Metal Bridge or connect with the trail again. The trouble is there is no way to get to those places that makes any sort of sense.


rsprake
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That intersection is the Doughboy Square of the trails

I like that analogy.

Here is my solution, at least during the summer. Close off S. Water St from 28th to Hot Metal St and let non-motorized vehicles have it to themselves. This will let people get to the Hot Metal Bridge without conflict and also allow people to cross Hot Metal St.

On the opposite side of Hot Metal St either merge the trail better or add a bike box where the trail ends at the light. Cyclists can wait at the light in the bike box.


erok
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ALL YOU BIKERS COMPALAIN ABOT EVRYTHING THEY GIVE YOU A 10 BILLION DOALLAR BRIDGE AND YOU ARENT HAPPY WITH IT AND WANT IT ALL AND WANT TO CLSOSE STREETS. YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS TO THSI IF YOU CONTINUE TO RUN STOP LIGHTS. FOLLOW THE RULES OF TEH ROAD!!!!


erok
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whew. i feel much better now


rsprake
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Ha ha. We are happy with it, it’s AE who is blocking off the sidewalk.


Mick
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I think we should blame erok.


joeframbach
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imgur for posterity:

This makes it very obvious why the cyclists are so determined to ride that sidewalk.


erok
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i still wouldn’t blame AE totally for this. i’d look at the people who planned it – who probably told AE that they could get whatever they wanted and just reroute the trail wherever as if it was a garden hose


Mick
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I’m still not sure why cyclists use the sidewalk there. I use the 20 or 30 feet between the switchback and the curb cut and that’s it.

Or is this 10 yards what is being blocked off?

Mick


Ohiojeff
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i’d look at the people who planned it

Wouldn’t that be the City of Pittsburgh? Someone signed off on those plans…


netviln
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it was me, but I was really hungover that day.


rsprake
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Mick, it’s the section in front of the AE building. The bridge still dumps people to the curb cut. But for people getting on to the bridge it’s very confusing especially if there is traffic.

What do you do? Wait in traffic then all of a sudden turn left into the crosswalk? Everyone skips that mess and rides up on to the little driveway cut out in front of AE.


erok
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Wouldn’t that be the City of Pittsburgh? Someone signed off on those plans…

yes they did


Ohiojeff
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They ought to just redo both those corners so the sidwalk slopes evenly down to the street in all directions. This probably violates some street code of some kind, and you probably run a much greater risk of someone getting their toes mashed by a moving truck, but it would solve the access problem..at least make the curb cuts wider. In the grand scheme of things that wouldn’t be that expensive.


netviln
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ok.. I was confused a bit as there are two AE buildings at the works.. You are refering to the new one, at the corner of water and hot metal, on the river side right?

Yeah.. when coming up water street, I just go left onto the sidewalk at the driveway. On sunday I didnt see signs there.

But I agree, for an area that is so bike populated, it should have been planned more accordingly. On a nice weekend, one can expect to see 10-20 bikes crossing that intersection every light change during peak times.


Impala26
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Anyone up for non-violent protest of this in the form of attaching a sheet of paper to the signs there along the lines of “OK, so how about you accommodate for bikes instead of barricading when you chose to build on top of an existing bike trail?”

LOL, it could be more succinct than that, but you get my drift.

Also, how about cyclists being more courteous when you’re riding on sidewalks huh? Generally I impose a “speed” limit” to myself if I’m forced to ride on a sidewalk. And as always, you’re required BY LAW to yield to pedestrians while riding on a sidewalk.


reddan
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Along the lines of non-violent protest, I’d love to lock up a dozen or so beater bikes to those barricades, with a note saying “Thanks bunches for the new racks!”


Impala26
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+1 reddan

LOL the first time I saw them I actually thought, “WTF is this? Well actually these things would make great bike racks.”


edmonds59
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“They ought to just redo both those corners so the sidwalk slopes evenly down to the street in all directions.”

Do that, and install a row of decorative concrete bollards in a row all around the corner, that’s the right way to do it.


dmtroyer
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ROUNDABOUT


BradQ
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Another non-violent protest would be to carefully place the barriers in the street, blocking a section of S Water St to car traffic and claiming it as bike/ped, as it should be since it’s a completely redundant roadway.

Or to throw them in the river. Also non-violent assuming you don’t hit anyone on the way down.


erok
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sign should say “Finally, some bike racks in Southside works”


nick
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i think they should build a tunnel for automobile traffic. that way they can safely cross this intersection.


scott
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Can’t wait to check this thread Monday morning.


StuInMcCandless
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Might be the fastest we’ve gone onto 2 pages in a very long time.


Marko82
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I rode down there around 3 o’clock to check it out. It’s one of those metal fence barriers like they use for parades. It is completely across the sidewalk right next to their driveway with a few paper signs saying no bikes on sidewalk, bla, bla, bla. It would be real easy to move… hypothetically speaking of course.

Didn’t the new casino try something like this when they opened?


alankhg
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Another thing that makes me angry about that intersection is that, despite being on a bike path, the crossing is inductor triggered and the inductor doesn’t detect bikes, so you have to go on the sidewalk and press a button to get the light.

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